softies

[fetish101]

once again to all of you.

If you like to have me banned, fine with me.
I might be wrong, but i assume that this is the first time that you boys and girls had a discussion on this level.

Not interested in what i said?
Please explain why there are so much replies!
I love it that you are so furious, that you show your emotions.
Because that's what life is all about, emotions. So cry it out, let yourself go!

You are all used to play games. But remember this is not a game anymore!
This discussion is for real.
I don't have the intention to insult you, only to wake you up.
In your replies, you try to prove that you or your lifestyle mean something.
But of course for all people on this earth life is worth living, and we should respect all human beings around us.

so reply and show your true feelings!

The only reason I wouldn't shed a tear over you getting banned is so I wouldn't have to listen to a small man trying to compensate for what can only be extreme short comings in real life. Talk is cheap, especially when it's virtually anonymous like this.

When I read your posts Willem, it only sounds to me like you are an angry individual trying to lash out at others to boost your low self esteem. Perhaps it is, as others have suggested, that you couldn't find some person to play your "doctor" fantasy out with you, so you are lashing out. Perhaps it's because in real life you lack the ability to socialize on a normal level and this frustrates you. I understand this, and you should take comfort that you are not alone in this problem.

Many people were/are unable to learn as children proper ways of handling themselves in social settings. It, in my opinion, can be explained primarily on a lack of basic confidence early in life. Were you always the kid people picked on in school? If you were, I have pity for you, as it was probably someone like me who was doing the picking. Children can be so cruel sometimes.

What you have to realize is, that although myself and a bunch of my buddies did tend to be the bigger guys and therefore picked on kids a bit, we, like everyone must and have grown up. You really need to think about doing the same.

Now, as far as this discussion exceeding my level of knowledge or experience, I don't think I'll qualify that accusation with a response. I will however respond to your last two statements in your last paragraph.

"But of course for all people on this earth life is worth living"
you sound like you're trying to convince yourself of something here Will, I hope you succeed. Life is worth living.

"we should respect all human beings around us."
I agree whole-heartedly. Perhaps you should take your own advice to heart next time you press the reply button.

[Barton]

Fetish, you have hit the nail squarely on the head. And willem, this lifestyle may be a game to you but it is not for many of us. This is mine and my partners way of being. If you look at it from a psychological standpoint you will see the amount of trust and devotion that must go into any successful relationship, especially one of this type.
One other point, you would be hard pressed to find another group of people like this one. From my short time here I have seen that the experience level in regards to this lifestyle and the overall intelligence level of these people is way above average. Please, if you want to talk, then talk away. But don't piss on us and try to tell us that it is really raining.
Barton.

[ValKyrie]

once again to all of you.

Not interested in what i said?
Please explain why there are so much replies!
I love it that you are so furious, that you show your emotions.
Because that's what life is all about, emotions. So cry it out, let yourself go!

You are all used to play games. But remember this is not a game anymore!
This discussion is for real.
I don't have the intention to insult you, only to wake you up.
In your replies, you try to prove that you or your lifestyle mean something.
But of course for all people on this earth life is worth living, and we should respect all human beings around us.

so reply and show your true feelings!

No, willem, "This" is no game, any more than making love is a game to people who don't practice BDSM.

There is no fury in my responses, nor in the responses of many others. Those of us who have practiced BDSM for some time and who have engaged in on line communities for some time have seen people like you come and go with your judgements and your self importance. I mean no offense, but this sort of confrontation/discussion is very old news for me. Hence, I can't take it seriously.

If you truly want to discuss how we practice BDSM and how it is more than role playing and games, I would be happy to discuss it with you or anyone who sports an open mind to the topic. The tone of your posts does not indicate an open mind and so why should we bother trying to explain what is over and again discussed and explained on these forums.

With all due respect, I hope that your life is full and your translation of intimacy and BDSM meets your needs. I will not judge you for it. I also respectfully add that I hope you are permitted to continue on these forums. I am not one to create or support isolating any community. Many times, it is discussions such as these where people grow vis a vis the thought necessary to balance negativity in remarks and opinions against one's own lifestyle.

Further, my brand of BDSM is no better and no worse than yours or anyone else's. I would hope that everyone here would undertake a tone of tolerance for one another's practices, needs and desires.

Best wishes to you and everyone,

Mistress Val

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Ya know? I was just going to let this all go and not say a thing, but this post made me a little cranky. So, allow me to make a polite retort.

willem, you're a liar and an ignorant one to boot, and here's why:

once again to all of you.

If you like to have me banned, fine with me.

Coming from one of the people that could have banned you, had I seen fit, I chose not to, because you truly have not yet shown yourself to be of the calibre of person that deserves to be banned. Ridiculed and mocked, yes, but not banned.

I might be wrong, but i assume that this is the first time that you boys and girls had a discussion on this level.

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I'm betting that we have had quite a few discussions on a multitude of levels. As someone who claims to have "read the posts in this forum," I would have thought you might have seen those discussions. Maybe you could have picked something out that you felt positively about and posted courteous replies to those topics, but instead you've decided to be abusive and cover it up with a fake sugar-coating of nearly-polite self-righteousness.

Well, hey, if that works for you, then that's peachy, but I'm here to tell you right now that it won't fly around here. If you continue to be abusive and talk to people as if we're all a bunch of kids, then none of us are going to consider you or your posts worth our time to read, and eventually you will step over the line and you will be tossed out of here on your bum. If that's what you want, just say so and one of us will get about doing it. Otherwise, I'll tell you like I've told you once before already: You be polite and follow the rules around here or you can leave. It matters not to me. One is just as fine a choice as the other as far as I am concerned.

By the way, you're a lot younger than a good many of our members here, so calling us "boys and girls" is probably not the way to go about winning yourelf any friends either.

Not interested in what i said?
Please explain why there are so much replies!
I love it that you are so furious, that you show your emotions.
Because that's what life is all about, emotions. So cry it out, let yourself go!

You've got things wrong, willem. The people that have replied to you are not angry (or furious, as you say). They are mocking you and showing contempt for your obvious ignorance. You don't know any of these people and yet you insist on coming here and belittling them by calling them boys and girls and telling them that what they do is just a bunch of games. You say that "Hurting someone is a sign of weakness," but there are literally hundreds of people on this site that will tell you that they want to be hurt. They crave it. They love it. They feel it an essential need in their lives. Who are you to tell them that they are weak for knowing quite good and well what they want?

I don't have the intention to insult you, only to wake you up.

U are all so soft, do u think it is about your ridiculous games u play.

Your intelligence is of a very low level.

I don't know, willem, those sound an awful lot like insults to me. At the very least, those sentences wern't very polite.

In your replies, you try to prove that you or your lifestyle mean something. But of course for all people on this earth life is worth living, and we should respect all human beings around us.

so reply and show your true feelings!

You're right. My lifestyle does mean something to me and to have you belittle it makes me not like you very much.

We should respect each other, that is true. However, when you come in here and start calling us boys and girls and saying we're all soft and stupid, you are not showing us the very respect that you yourself declare we should all have for one another.

Now, if you really want to continue this little discussion, you can. Just know that these people are not going to tolerate your continued insults and your continues self-righteousness. And when it ceases to be amusing anymore, we will show you to the door.

Consider those my true feelings.

[Kallie Thomas]

once again to all of you.

If you like to have me banned, fine with me.
I might be wrong, but i assume that this is the first time that you boys and girls had a discussion on this level.

Not interested in what i said?
Please explain why there are so much replies!
I love it that you are so furious, that you show your emotions.
Because that's what life is all about, emotions. So cry it out, let yourself go!

You are all used to play games. But remember this is not a game anymore!
This discussion is for real.
I don't have the intention to insult you, only to wake you up.
In your replies, you try to prove that you or your lifestyle mean something.
But of course for all people on this earth life is worth living, and we should respect all human beings around us.

so reply and show your true feelings!

"A discussion on this level?" Nothing could have more quickly shown your ignorance of this forum and the people who post here. Actually READ the other threads, kid. There are real discussions. This hasn't been a discussion, it's been a route--a laugh-fest at your expense. You said nothing that merits serious discussion--or fury, for that matter.

That you view yourself as some sort of messiah, out to "wake us up" makes this all the more laughable. You aren't the first to shamble in, say something stupid that you believe is deep and original, only to be giggled at.

We should respect all human beings around us? Tell you what--you first. Apologize for your initial attack.

Kallie

[Curtis]

I might be wrong, but i assume that this is the first time that you boys and girls had a discussion on this level.

Well, you're wrong there, little willy. We stoop to your level on a fairly regular basis.

[Neopadinski]

After reading this thread, I've come to three conclusions.

1. Willem is most likely 13 or below, a mere child trying to sound big and strong by acting tough because he knows he's behind a screen name and a computer monitor.

2. I figured this was whipit/sexygirl again.

3. I'm quite glad BDSM_Tourguide doesn't dislike me. He can eliminate any opposition by insulting, but not using insults...

[BDSM_Tourguide]

3. I'm quite glad BDSM_Tourguide doesn't dislike me. He can eliminate any opposition by insulting, but not using insults...

Hey! What's that supposed to mean???

[GaryWilcox]

1. Willem is most likely 13 or below, a mere child trying to sound big and strong by acting tough because he knows he's behind a screen name and a computer monitor.

2. I figured this was whipit/sexygirl again.

3. I'm quite glad BDSM_Tourguide doesn't dislike me. He can eliminate any opposition by insulting, but not using insults...

1. Yeah, but everyone understands that. That's typical of anyone who enters a forum and makes a first post "you guys suck".

2. Sadly, no. Not that entity. I would know at a glance.

3. I actually quite like what TG said here. I don't see it as insulting or overly personal... I think he's doing exactly what he said he was doing, defending his lifestyle choice, the same as many others here did, and respective of his office, too. If I found some fault in what he was saying, believe me, I'd say so... but, I kinda believe that this was healthy for the community as a whole, having someone come in and rank on us and just sort of chuckle about it and toss back a few insults.

If he (or anyone else) had written something meant to actually get under the skin of this Wilhelm guy and cause him to, I dunno, swallow his tongue ala Miggs/Lecter, that I would take issue with. I think he just succinctly said, try again-- this time, show the forum the respect you yourself are looking for, after he'd already shown Wilhelm considerable patience.

That my two cents... put 'em on my eyes when I've croaked, wouldja.

[new master]

i for one would like to take a moment to compliment the other members of this threat if found allmost all responses to Willem's post intelligent amazingly patient and quite lighthearted considering a personal attack by someone truly in the dark as to what bdsm is. Willem think about it bdsm stand for bondage/ DISCIPLINE/sado/MASOCHIST THERE FOR IT TRULY IS ABOUT DOMINATING BOTH MIND AND BODY BY SIMPLE DEFINITION. most just choose not to state the obvious and instead focus on the more "entertaining" aspect of thier lifestyle

[Katmandu]

And what a divinely delicious definition it is too! I might add

[Neopadinski]

Yeah, I like what TG said. I was just trying to lighten the situation