Well, perhaps i have breached some forum rules somehow, or given a bad impression in the post? Thought given the spirit in the forum that this was not an unreasonable post, and i am suprised by the lack of response..If i have offended some rule of the forum please let me know so that i know for future reference, my intention here was to show my wife/sub other peoples experiences so that she could relate to her own, nothing more, oh well.......