The gorean style does outwardly seem to promote rules and protocols to a greater extent then other BDSM styles. I wonder if that is based upon the perception that gorean protocols are silly, or if there is truely a difference in this regard.

I say this because I have known some old school Masters that had an awful lot of rules and protocols a girl had to learn. Thinking back they sure seemed as complicated and as numerous as any gorean Masters.

For me personal discipline is the foundation that a D/s relationship must naturally be built upon. Without it I can not see how anyone could be having anything other then kinky sex.

This probably more then anything else shows my gorean side.
This is why i first introduced the thread to the A-Z. I think the gorean philosophy of the slave is much better for my own use.
There are the slaves who seem pretty haphazard in how things are done - which to me falls more under "Pet" than slave. There is more room for play and often for less seriousness.
Then there are those who do best under the more stringent and rule based form of slave. This is the one where i would see the most benefit would truly lay for both individuals. Surely knowing some would not see it and have a difference of opinion.. but that is why we've had all this discussion.


If a Master does not have the discipline to control himself then he sure should not be accepting an exchange of power that would be putting him in control of someone else.
This to me is a definite Part of being Dom.. I see many who , in my eyes, with what they say and post.. should be looking else where .. smiles..


Many times I have heard people say, I can make her learn, I would have to disagree. You may make her "do" but to really learn is something she has to want to do herself.
I see this as flawed thinking when I read an article or post from someone who thinks they can change a person. They have to wish to be changed or it's all based on a sandy foundations and will fall out from under your feet. Ironwulf thinks like me on this one.



That brings up another topic:
"I don't want her to think, I just want her to do what she is told".
Your thoughts?
I think the individual who says this is truly not concerned with the slave at all. Being wrapped in a trip of the ego and mind.
Now there is the Doing of a slave which is acceptable and practical. But for the Commenter to think do whatever to me is a bit of a problem. Depends on what she is told and some other influences on it.
For Control to be Held, it has to first be out there to be given by the other.
That nonconsensual part of Slavery to me is the part that doesn't work. No matter which lifestyle we are talking.


And
Thanks Blizz for you postings and your AV