The accpetance of snuff in stories

[_ID_]

Snuff:

I think we need to define the meaning. Generally, I define snuff as killing of an individual while committing an erotic or sexual act. As I understand it, snuff films are exactly that.

On the other hand, I do not consider murder to be snuff. I consider it to be, simply, murder; the taking of a human life. In this regard, most mainstream hollywood films that include murder are not snuff films.

I disagree with you on the definition.

quoting wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film

A snuff film is a pop culture term for any number of possible definitions regarding a motion picture purporting to depict an actual death.

quote from urban dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snuff

1. (verb) To kill, assassinate, destroy, murder.
2. (adj.) A real (not staged) filmed murder; usually of raping and killing a woman. In some cases it is viewed for sexual arousal.

1. A lot of people got mugged and snuffed here.

2. There was this one underground snuff film of a guy getting tortured with a razor blade.

To me the difference between what we see in mainstream Hollywood, and what would be beyond what people are able to process and accept as normal.

A film such as the Saw series, would fall into the snuff theme, and is accepted by mainstream society. A film that shows a more graphic real torture such as a person getting shot in the head, or their head cut off. As is done by Muslim extremists. Both are snuff films, one is real, the other is fictionalized.

So the difference lay in what would fall out of the realm of fiction, and when that happens. Then it becomes unacceptable. Till then, its simply fantasy same as an incest story, same as a kidnapping story, same as a rape story. All subjects are crimes of the most vile manner, yet snuff is the only one most of you take issue with.

As to judging others, yes I judge people, but I keep my opinion to myself unless I am speaking to someone with the same views as mine. To point at someone or something and to say it is wrong, when it is perfectly legal, is inviting judgment on what you enjoy.

Me personally, I would rather not have people tell me what I can or can't do so long as it's mostly inside of whats legal. I say that last statement because BDSM activities are illegal in some states, I will still do them.

ID

[mkemse]

We fictionalize snuff in horror movies, why is it not ok to do it in an erotic story?

IDCrewDog,
What I meant and apprently I was not clear is I was not talking about fictionalizing it in movies was ok but not in stories, what my intend was to say is was, In reality in the real world we have enough snuff and violence with out caring into movies or stories, if i came across as saying yes in movie but no in stories i correct that now
I do not care for snuff movies or stories myself,and if need be, i can to read or see these all i need to do is watch the news on a daily basis or read the paper on a daily basis, i do not need to see it fictionalize it in either movies or stories in print, but in the United States we have freedom of expresion and print, and altho i might now agree with it, as an Ameircna Citizen I will defend with my life the right of the author to make the movie or print the story if they want to
There are many thing i do not agree with in this Country, but our freedom's in 99% of the cases are guaranteed, with the expection of 2 things NOT protect by freedom of speech and these 2 things are fairly widely know

[mkemse]

Question to anyone who lives in the United States

Aside from the 2 widely know things that can not be said in public as our Constitution does not protect either of these thing as Freedom of Speach, is anyone aware of anything else that is not protected by freedom of speech when said or spoken?? I ask as question not as a quizz

[H Dean]

I disagree with you on the definition.

quoting wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film


quote from urban dictionary
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snuff


To me the difference between what we see in mainstream Hollywood, and what would be beyond what people are able to process and accept as normal.

A film such as the Saw series, would fall into the snuff theme, and is accepted by mainstream society. A film that shows a more graphic real torture such as a person getting shot in the head, or their head cut off. As is done by Muslim extremists. Both are snuff films, one is real, the other is fictionalized.

So the difference lay in what would fall out of the realm of fiction, and when that happens. Then it becomes unacceptable. Till then, its simply fantasy same as an incest story, same as a kidnapping story, same as a rape story. All subjects are crimes of the most vile manner, yet snuff is the only one most of you take issue with.

As to judging others, yes I judge people, but I keep my opinion to myself unless I am speaking to someone with the same views as mine. To point at someone or something and to say it is wrong, when it is perfectly legal, is inviting judgment on what you enjoy.

Me personally, I would rather not have people tell me what I can or can't do so long as it's mostly inside of whats legal. I say that last statement because BDSM activities are illegal in some states, I will still do them.

ID

You illustrated my point perfectly, Dawg.

[Rabbit1]

all of this is a mute point ---snuff fantasy is acceptable on this site and forever shall be unless the US should pass a law against it ---until then --if you don't like it ---don't read it

[Guest 91108]

Some people will discuss mute points forever.

[ElectricBadger]

Aside from the 2 widely know things that can not be said in public as our Constitution does not protect either of these thing as Freedom of Speach, is anyone aware of anything else that is not protected by freedom of speech when said or spoken?? I ask as question not as a quizz

Not to be the obtuse one, but which two are you speaking of? ...I suspect I could add quite a few to the list. But then, I'm rather down on the Bill of Rights for the same reason many contemporaries were.