slavedriver wrote:
A real, sad, and painful dilemma. Should we ignore what was learned by incredibly foul means because of those means or does using the information gained from so many people's pain honor their suffering in some way?although the reasons given have only recently been discovered the information is actually not that new. sadly for man the Nazi's experiments on women under duress is still used as is the data on twins , stress , cold and countless other "medical experiments" conducted in the so called name of science.
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the scientific community although condeming the testing done still refer to and use the data collected in the death camps
Both possibilities bring new questions, for example:
If ignoring data from Nazi (and Soviet, and ...) torturous "experiments" is best, how valuable is the information lost? Is it possible to regain it by ethical means?
If continuing to use such data is best, how should those who report it or whose work builds on it acknowledge their source? Does keeping the memory of such attrocities alive help to prevent their recurrance?
slavedriver's comment, for example, reminded everyone who read it of the unsafe, insane, and entirely non-consensual events Hitler and his followers forced on the millions they killed directly in their camps and on the battlefield and also of the still larger numbers of civilians who died. Those who died during the sieges of Leningrad and Stalingrad, during the Nazi's invasion of and retreat from the Soviet Union more generally, at Nanking and other places Japan sacked, and on and on and on ...
Antony Beevor's books on Stalingrad and Berlin are worth anyone's time. The Stalingrad book focuses on the cost paid by military personnel while the Berlin book adds a lot of information about civilian suffering. Among his conclusions: an enormous fraction of females above the age of menarche between Berlin and Moscow, nearly all in some regions, was raped between the Nazi's invasion in August, 1941 and their surrender in May, 1945. Soviet troops were apparently particularly thorough as they extracted revenge for Leningrad, Stalingrad, the Einsatz Gruppen, and Nazi POW and death camps.
He has a third book, on the Spanish Civil War, that I have not read. It was the Nazi's and Soviet's training ground for WWII, so I expect it is equally valuable. I would especially like to read his account of the Guernica, the first city destroyed by aerial bombardment and the subject of on of Pablo Picasso's greatest paintings.
The literature on the holocaust has been growing since the war ended, and the Nazi's "Einsatz Gruppen," the teams assigned to impose their racial ideology in eastern Europe and the western Soviet Union, have been studied in recent books I have not read.
Nothing easy here. Thank you, slavedriver.