I am probably about to get into a bad place with you, TG, but that's okay. D/s is all about disagreement and finding your agreement.
To me, submitting and dominating are all shades of grey. And because of that, so are relationtionships, and the defintions thereof.

Quote Originally Posted by BDSM_Tourguide
I haven't changed my mind. I made no mention at all about honesty. I dislike dishonesty in most forms.

What I did say was that I didn't feel a submissive should have to be tamed or broken. Meaning that they should either have the desire to submit or they should not categorize themselves as submissives. What is submissive about someone who resists submitting? What is submissive about disobedience?