Quote Originally Posted by Mad Lews
Hi Woodchuck,

I am more into substance over symbolism. I find collars interesting trinkets at worst and useful toys at best. But then I'm trying real hard not to be mistaken for a romantic. I save my symbolic repertoire for stories and stick to the hard realties in my personal life. Commitment exists with or without symbolism, if you want or need a token that's OK but I for one don't.
Did that add to the confusion?

Mad Lews
Tell you what, I am enjoying the lack of focus on a single item. BDSM seems to have it's eyes open to the reality of commitment. The people I have met online/heard from in threads have a real value for commitment, and it doesn't revolve around a gold ring. Their dedication revolves around real feelings, and reciprocated emotion.