Quote Originally Posted by Mrlover
Mosts subs love a good gang bang..some need a coerced introduction but once they've tried like it most slutty subs they come back for more and more.
Not all submissives are slutty or are sexual submissives. Myself, I am more of a task oriented submissive such as chores, making our home clean and comfortable, making meals etc. Sex, for me, has nothing to do with BDSM. To classify submissives into one group is entirely the wrong thing to do. I know for a fact that I would not learn to enjoy gang bangs once I have experienced one. I know myself well enough to state that with confidence.

Quote Originally Posted by Mrlover
I've heard of subs getting "surprised" when entering a hotel room and getting gang banged by up to 40 guys which was organized over the net without her the sub being aware.

Anyway if they want to be a sub then well she needs to take the "full course" if she wants to graduate
If my dominant ever 'surprised' me with a gand bang or even forced me to have sex with anyone else without my consent he would be out the door as fast as humanly possible. Forcing someone to have sex with someone else is, in my opinion, rape by proxy. I am a submissive to one person and one person only and if I were forced into this situation, the trust for my dominant would be gone and I wouldn't be able to submit to him any longer. If it is an activity that your submissive wants and has agreed to, then, by all means, go for it. But to say that she needs to do it to graduate is actually kind of scary in a phyco kind of way

Quote Originally Posted by Mrlover
BDSM is about perversion in many instances by mainstream society and there is a good reason for it in many instances.....I being into BDSM can freely admit this......and this is another way to justify many dom's perversion with gang bangs.
To you, BDSM may be about perversion. But for others, like myself, BDSM is about allowing someone you trust to take control. I could never trust someone once they have forced me into a gang bang. The only way to justify a gang bang would be if all involved agreed to it including the submissive.

Finally, there is a phrase many in BDSM use: Safe, Sane, and Consensual - Consensual being the most important, in my opinion because if all are not in agreement, no matter how much you may think the submissive wants it, it is still called abuse.

Reading posts like these makes me very concerned as to where BDSM is going and what the perceived idea of a submissive really is. Is she a human being with limits that should be respected? Or is she just a tool with which to satisfy yourself and your fantasies regardless of how she may feel about it?