Quote Originally Posted by XtremeInk
You cannot convince me that stories that don't include those oh so young children (you know, the 17 year olds which also count as kids?) but do include things like snuff, torture, scat will pass those tests. Those stories are pure porn and not protected.
Your point is very valid, the Miller test is not limited to any one category of writing in the US.

See, the trouble is, no matter what you personally think (the general 'you', not you personally), the 'community standards' have changed because the community has changed. The 'community' is now world wide, not just in the US. But while we export democracy and religious tolerance abroad it is starting to fade in the US.
I agree with you in theory. In a US based court of law, that particular arguement hasn't worked...yet. What is community? What is obscene?

As individuals, we might as well all use the famous line from Jusice Potter Stewart:

In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . [b]ut I know it when I see it . . . "[1]

My comment was sarcastic for those of you who couldn't hear me quoting with a tired voice.

Reference:
http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html
for this and other definitions used in the past in the U.S.

And, not for nothing, but Lex is a contributer for the site. So *was* I. But I had my stuff pulled from ALL the sites that I use to contribute to. Sure, there was underage stuff in them. But not in all of them, but I pulled every one, because I didn't feel any of them would pass those tests. And I'm willing to bet that very, very few of the stories on this site would, young charactors or no, would pass them either.
Not sure what you are seeking here. A pat on the back?
Congratulations for doing what you felt needed to be done.

My bottom line was this: I write for my enjoyment, and for my readers (and oh yes, I had many of them, so don't even go there) enjoyment. The relationship between the site and me was benificial to both of us. I got to write, readers to to read, the site got readers. But if the site, and the readers, are not going to stand up for me (and I know they wouldn't -- hell just read the "It's okay to censor your kink as long as you leave mine alone" posts), if they're going to censor *some* posts, but not *all* posts, then why should I post here?
How do you know the site and the readers aren't going to stand up for you or any other author? What constructive action are you asking them to take? Okay, let me rephrase since it looks like you are retreating from the battlefield. What action would you have the readers and new owner of this site, which is located in the US take to stand up for you? Would that action be different if the site was located in another country?

Have you contacted Tiger and asked him what he is willing to post again? As the new owner, it is his decision.

The answer is, I won't. And please spare me the 'good riddence' line. I know that my writing was pretty good because people have paid me, on occasion, to write. Not enough to live on, but it's nice to know that some folks liked it enough to want me to write for them.
Is this jealousy lashing at those who are making an earning from their writings? A smack to your fans who might want to find your stories? Just an open rant. Are you expecting me to say, "don't let the door hit your butt on the way out."? Instead, I wish you well.

If I see that the site and the readership is standing by the writers, then I might start posting again. Remember, no writers, no readers. But for now, it's off to usenet.
xTi
Ah, a doom and gloom warning as you depart. Yet again, you've not defined how the site or its readership can stand by its writers.

If you're still hanging around to see what kind of reaction your post receives, then please offer some suggestions.