A Modest Proposal

[XtremeInk]

Your point is very valid, the Miller test is not limited to any one category of writing in the US.

I agree with you in theory. In a US based court of law, that particular arguement hasn't worked...yet. What is community? What is obscene?

As individuals, we might as well all use the famous line from Jusice Potter Stewart:

In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . [b]ut I know it when I see it . . . "[1]

My comment was sarcastic for those of you who couldn't hear me quoting with a tired voice.

I understood the sarcasm, and agree with it. I would guess my point is that we live in a different world now, with regard to how wide the community is. As a result, it is possible that some restructuring is required.

Not sure what you are seeking here. A pat on the back?
Congratulations for doing what you felt needed to be done.

Neither. I was simply stating what I had done, pointing out that I had content on the site at one time, so I could avoid comments like 'well what have you ever written?'.

How do you know the site and the readers aren't going to stand up for you or any other author? What constructive action are you asking them to take? Okay, let me rephrase since it looks like you are retreating from the battlefield. What action would you have the readers and new owner of this site, which is located in the US take to stand up for you? Would that action be different if the site was located in another country?

All very difficult questions. I *chose* to remove my postings. As far as a battlefield, and your not so subtle inference that I'm a coward, there is no battle field. There is no defense -- not in this 'battle'. It is lost before it is begun because no one has the time or the money to have their lives ruined by being brought up on charges.

Why do I think no one would stand up for an author? I've read a number of posts that indicate that is the case. And quite frankly, I don't hear you coming up with any suggestions to face these issues. I chose my path -- I removed my content. But, it was MY choice. No one forced me. When someone forces you, censors you, that's a big difference.

Have you contacted Tiger and asked him what he is willing to post again? As the new owner, it is his decision.

No I have not. Nor do I intend to, since judging from the lack of new content on the site, and the lack of his postings in the forums, he's a bit snowed under. And ill, if I recall a recent post correctly.

Is this jealousy lashing at those who are making an earning from their writings? A smack to your fans who might want to find your stories? Just an open rant. Are you expecting me to say, "don't let the door hit your butt on the way out."? Instead, I wish you well.

You know, I have to say that you are very subtle with your insults. Perhaps it might sound different if you said, in person, what you are writing, but as I read more of your comments, I am beginning to doubt it.

I am not jealous of people who write for a living: I'm a bit envious. Oh, and I have sold my writing, both to private parties, and, under a different pen name, to some of the very same sites that YOU put your books on.

My fans, should they want to find my writing, know it can be found on usenet.

It was a bit of a rant, because I've read a number of "my kink is ok but yours should be censored" posts.

My comment about not posting here anymore was perfectly clear. Writers that post stories that are not 'politically correct' (by the current definition) are not welcome here. One of the things that made this site great was that it was on the edge and most decidedly NOT mainstream. If the site loses that, then really, how different is it from any other site that's 'Safe/Sane/Consensual/Politically correct'?

Again, it isn't my site, so it isn't my decision. I'm sure that the site will run quite well without my input or my writing. If enough authors decide that the site is too restrictive, too vanilla, then what will happen? There are lots of sites out there that go along just fine, but it would be a shame to see this one become so ... common.

Ah, a doom and gloom warning as you depart. Yet again, you've not defined how the site or its readership can stand by its writers.

If you're still hanging around to see what kind of reaction your post receives, then please offer some suggestions.

Oh please. Doom and gloom. What a crock of shit. What are your suggestions? And, come to think of it, what have you written and contributed to the site? I could be wrong, but when I checked under your name you had one story, which, as I recall appeared to be more or less an advertisement for books you want to sell.

That's all well and good, I suppose, but when I posted stories, people got them for free. And I didn't use a free site to advertise books that were for sale. So when you start going off on me about my choices e.g. removing my FREE material from a FREE website, how about you add some of that 'Obscenity Free' stuff you write to this site?

You might wonder why it appears I'm going off on you. Well, I'll tell you: It's because your response to my post was very subtly condescending and insulting. And your comments about my 'perceived' jealously make sense when coupled with the fact that you're a paid author while you think I'm not.