Warning to authors: Before you submit

[Ranai]

Hello Tiger, I would like to read what you have to say on the author’s copyright and story removal theme.

I assume this was merely a misunderstanding.


(Should any such policy change indeed occur in the future – which I personally would consider very ill-advised – , as I understand the matter, such a non-cancellable license agreement could only be valid for stories submitted after these license terms would have been expressly posted and agreed to by each author in the story submission process; but certainly not retroactively for stories posted in the past, without any such agreement.)

[lex ludite]

Now let me get this straight, Tiger claims that the site owns the rights to my stories that have been submitted in the past? Tiger also claims that as site Adminstrator or owner, his status has not ever been specifically defined to my satisfaction, he can remove stories from "his" site that he considers objectionable. What happens to these stories that are now no longer on "his" site? Can he turn around and sell them to another site? Depending upon the answers to these questions, there can be some very serious consequences to authors, such as myself. I know for a fact that one author who posted on this site had Jinn remove all his stuff just before the change-over to new "ownership", and there was no problem in having his request honored.

[Rabbit1]

Seems to be quite a misunderstanding---what I said was in return for publishing your stories for free---note the word free----that the site retains the right to desplay them---not own them or sell them ---but desplay them---If you think about it---it is a fair trade---you of course with your ownership of the stories are free to post them else where or sell them as you please ---the Site or Tiger make no such claim to the stories you submitt-

It is not easy to ---I go thru the expense to provide software and a site to publish your stories for free on---and asking only in return that right to after having published them for you --the right to display them.---

So before you get your feathers Ruffled ---I did submit the request to Tiger- via email ---the same way it was submitted to me---and I do not know if Tiger has answered this request or not----and I am awaiting farther clairification from Tiger on this matter----but hey he has a family and a personal life and a business also---so be patient ---

[woodsman'sgame]

Hmm.

Rabbit1, I am a published author in intellectual material that is not BDSM related. The last time I looked, the publisher paid ME for publishing my work not vice versa. I suppose if my work was CRAP I would need to pay someone to publish it, but since it is GOOD, I get paid by the publisher. You need to rethink your policy of keeping the right to retain the author's work on your site or you will soon loose any decent author that you have submitting his/her work and consequently loose viewers and advertisers.

Woodsman's game

[woodsman'sgame]

Since I am given only 5 minutes to edit (that's new too! It used to be quite a bit more time), I need to add to my post here.

Your publishing of my stories for FREE means nothing to me since I could get PAID for my stories in other sites. I have been asked to submit my stories to sites where the authors get paid for their work. I have chosen not to do so for personal reasons but mainly because it is a risky venture for me to get paid for these stories given the nature of my other published work. I would rather keep my stories to myself and a select group of like-minded readers rather than have them taken over by someone else. Rethink your policy or you will lose a lot of authors who can publish elsewhere for FREE or for PAY.

[Rabbit1]

Hmm.

Rabbit1, I am a published author in intellectual material that is not BDSM related. The last time I looked, the publisher paid ME for publishing my work not vice versa. I suppose if my work was CRAP I would need to pay someone to publish it, but since it is GOOD, I get paid by the publisher. You need to rethink your policy of keeping the right to retain the author's work on your site or you will soon loose any decent author that you have submitting his/her work and consequently loose viewers and advertisers.

Woodsman's game

I too am a published author---and have been paid for some of my stories---But I did not sell my copyright to the stories as I am free to post them anywhere I please---most of my stories have nothing to do with BDSM-so they will not be published here but a few do---

So you are telling me if you submit a story to a publisher ----he decides to publish it ---paid you or not---then you have the right to tell that publisher you have changed your mind---and want to publish it elsewhere.

I do not think it works quite that way---Once it is published any publisher retains certain rights to the story--Do you not think of this site as a publisher

I do not get where you are coming from---but then again like I said --not my site nor my policy---I have yet to hear from either the orginal poster of the thread or from Tiger on his answer.

So before we jump the gun get all riled up over nothing --why do we not wait and see what the outcome of the request is first

[Mad Lews]

Seems to be quite a misunderstanding---what I said was in return for publishing your stories for free---note the word free----that the site retains the right to desplay them---not own them or sell them ---but desplay them---If you think about it---it is a fair trade---you of course with your ownership of the stories are free to post them else where or sell them as you please ---the Site or Tiger make no such claim to the stories you submitt-

Dear Furry1,

As I see it this really should be a mutually beneficial exchange. You (or Tiger) run a site, it generates revenue (perhaps not enough for your taste but still it is not nonprofit) based on advertising to viewers. Those viewers are there to read stories. The people who produce those stories retain copyright, which means they might at some point decide to sell their stories commercially . This is not possible if the stories are being displayed for free on the net, Ask any commercial publisher.
We are talking about a relatively rare occurrence here, one the administration of the site should applaud and encourage so published writers will not hesitate to post on the site. The quality of the stories (your product) will only improve.
Writers post their creations on your site for readership and for feedback. They receive no commercial benefit other than a little publicity. If they no longer want a story (their property) shown on this site it would certainly be gracious to honor their wishes. It might also be wise for the future of the site.
Just the ramblings of

Mad Lews

[Rabbit1]

Why are we all crying wolf before a decision has been made????

Why is everyone trying to create problems before they occur???


Personally I do not care one way or the other---But can we not wait until a decission is made before we start crying foul??

[woodsman'sgame]

I was going to stay out of it, Rabbit1, but your response made me angry. You are not doing the authors a favor by publishing our work. There would be no library if it weren't for the authors. You seem to not realize that or you would not have responded as you did. If you don't want everything to get blown out of porportion, then watch what you say and get the owner's attention as soon as possible on this controversial issue. Some things do not need to be put on the back burner.

[Rabbit1]

I was going to stay out of it, Rabbit1, but your response made me angry. You are not doing the authors a favor by publishing our work. There would be no library if it weren't for the authors. You seem to not realize that or you would not have responded as you did. If you don't want everything to get blown out of porportion, then watch what you say and get the owner's attention as soon as possible on this controversial issue. Some things do not need to be put on the back burner.

I was sent an email with a request ---I did state the policy of the site as I understood it---but I did forward the request to the owner via email the same as it was sent to me the very moment ---So I did not put it on a back burner ---I also told the email author who had to make the decision--so he could also contact the right person as I told him I would forward it --so that is no putting it on a back burner---if people would take other posts with a grain of salt before they have all the facts then things would not get blown out of proportion---

[lex ludite]

If what Rabbit1 is saying is accurate, then I have no problem with this situation. Of course the site should have first call on what I submit if they are the original poster. Once they take it down,then it reverts to me, no problem. I have no illusions that I am writing deathless prose that anyone in their right mind would pay good money to read. This is strictly a way to keep me off the streets and preventing me from molesting "underage" girls. Anyone who took the last sentence seriously should consult the nearest shrink, since they need help in coping with reality.