Bestiality

[gloombunny]

Have not read this whole thread, but I have to say this. Legally, bestiality is always animal abuse. It does not matter if you instigate or just lie there and take it.

In what jurisdiction? These things aren't universal.

[gagged_Louise]

You're quite right Natalie, in many countries of Europe bestiality (sex with animals) is decriminalized since many years, though it can still lead to charges of painful abuse to the animal. Quoting Wikipedia:

"Currently, the legality of bestiality varies greatly around the world. It is legal in some countries, such as Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands, while it is illegal in Great Britain (for penetrative acts), Canada, and much of the United States, Australia and New Zealand. Countries such as Belgium, Germany and Russia are in between the two as they permit sexual activity with animals but strictly prohibit the promotion of animal-oriented pornography"

In Sweden, where the act does not fall under the law anymore, it was punishable by death until 1864 and later with penal labour. Some of the later cases brought to court in the 1920s-40s were "gangbangs" of animals by country teenagers. There's been discussion lately about making it a crime again.

[nk_lion]

Sex with humans is just fine for me

[Uncle_Ed]

Umm...should I mention that my avatar in YIM is a Tiger?

Probably not...

[Logic1]

hard limit for me with no interest in it either.
should be illegal imho

[Rhabbi]

In what jurisdiction? These things aren't universal.

Technically true, but I would imagine that even in Sweden a prosecutor could indict someone who has sex with an animal, here are just a few thoughts from a bestiality group I know of.

Other Points on Laws:

- Having sex with someone else's animal without the owner's permission
is a crime against property, the same as if someone "borrowed" his horse
to haul their carriage without his permission. Remember that horse
thievery was a hangin' offense in the old West.

- Sex in public is "open and gross lewdness." People have been prosecuted
for ordinary sex in a fenced-in backyard and even in a bedroom with the
shades up, on the basis that a child *could have* climbed the fence or
looked in the window and seen something.

- Sometimes prosecutors are imaginative, and will creatively apply
irrelevant laws. For instance, statutory rape if the animal is less
than 18 years old.

- Exposing a child to bestiality is considered child abuse/sexual abuse in
many states. If someone leaves a tape in a VCR and a child hits play and
sees it, that may be considered exposure.

- There may be something in the obscenity laws regarding bestial acts on
video tapes.

- In many states even where bestiality is legal, it IS legally grounds for
divorce.

- To really know the legality, you would have to look at court cases in your
area to see how judges define the laws and whether the law has been
enforced at all and whether acts between humans are equivalent to acts
between a human and an animal.

Just because it is not against the law, does not mean it is legal. If you do it, treat it like you are breaking the law and you will be a lot safer. Again, bestiality is always illegal because if a prosecutor really wants to get creative and ends up charging you with rape, there is no way that you will be able to prove that an animal gave consent. An animal is not capable of giving legal consent.

[wingsofanangel]

Interesting retort Rhabbi.

My question... Are animals given the same rights as humans.. when it comes to things like rape and murder?

[Uncle_Ed]

LEGAL adj., adv. according to law, not in violation of law or anything related to the law.

ILLEGAL 1) adj. in violation of statute, regulation or ordinance, which may be criminal or merely not in conformity. Thus, an armed robbery is illegal, and so is an access road which is narrower than the county allows, but the violation is not criminal. 2) status of a person residing in a country of which he/she is not a citizen and who has no official permission to be there.

"Just because it is not against the law, does not mean it is legal"

Yes it does! If it is NOT legal-it is Illegal. If it is "not against the law" it is not illegal-therefore it must be legal.

Please define again for me, Rhabbi. You have totally lost me.

[Uncle_Ed]

BTW-Ill eagle sex is not only far from legal-it is also not right. You must watch the claws that say you shouldn't do it.

[Rhabbi]

"Just because it is not against the law, does not mean it is legal"

Yes it does! If it is NOT legal-it is Illegal. If it is "not against the law" it is not illegal-therefore it must be legal.

Please define again for me, Rhabbi. You have totally lost me.

Alright then Ed, let me rephrase that.

Just because it is not against the law, does not mean it is not criminal.

[annie]

Just to throw a kink in the chain a bit...

In chat we were discussing a new kitten, what they ate, etc.

So.... If a woman was to breastfeed a baby animal is that still bestiality? and is that still illegal?

[gagged_Louise]

Alright then Ed, let me rephrase that.

Just because it is not against the law, does not mean it is not criminal.

Sometimes I get the impression that U.S. judges and prosecutors have a greater freedom how to mount a case or to choose the punishment than their brothers in other ocuntries, but overall the rule is said to be: if something doesn't fit an act or a kind of action that's criminalized by the law, then you can't take it to court under penal law.
You could mount a civil lawsuit, but i don't see anyone making a lawsuit about bestiality - if the thing isn't criminal, then it would have to be a case about cruelty (to the animal or the human) or mental abuse. You could argue it's immoral of course, but that won't make it a crime under the law.

[tired.of.vanilla{DJ}]

Just to throw a kink in the chain a bit...

In chat we were discussing a new kitten, what they ate, etc.

So.... If a woman was to breastfeed a baby animal is that still bestiality? and is that still illegal?

Oh tough one...after all breastfeeding a child is not sexual abuse.

[gagged_Louise]

Í suspect breastfeeding a puppy or a kitten would have been seen as illegal and monstrous in the old days, when bestiality counted as a crime against God's creation. When the crime carried capital punishment, they'd often have the beast killed too. Back in the 18th century and before, you could even have animals charged and brought before the court for some crimes.

[Platonicus]

While I do not really have an opinion to offer as far as the activity under discussion, I did wish to say that this discussion itself really makes the case for why I have found this site and the people who share here to be so impressive. In some respects, I have at times found the BDSM community to rival the Vanilla world in being judgemental. Here it seems people are willing to give consideration to another person's point of view and even allow their own minds to be changed when there is a basis for that to occur. I was thoroughly impressed with the openness that many have exhibited in this discussion.

I simply know that it is a good thing when people can discuss issues over which they may not all agree and can be respectful of someone else's views and opinions. What a marvelous example of effective communication I have read here and I much appreciated the opportunity. I think it is always a good thing when we can show tolerance for the interests of others even when it may be something we ourselves do not find appealing. At least within the lifestyle I think people should be able to expect this.

[Hime]

Just to throw a kink in the chain a bit...

In chat we were discussing a new kitten, what they ate, etc.

So.... If a woman was to breastfeed a baby animal is that still bestiality? and is that still illegal?

I don't think it would be illegal, but it certainly wouldn't be practical. The woman would have to be already nursing (there are BDSM-related practices that induce lactation, of course...), and of course many other mammals, including kittens, have much sharper teeth than human babies. Ouch!

[John56{vg}]

MY ex and I had a cat that was the runt of the litter and would nurse on anything. If you held him close to your ear he would go for your earlobe. One day he was sleeping with my (very vanilla) ex-wife and I and he went for her nipple. It freaked her out to no end.

[xalmostgoldenx]

Haha, I do think it's wrong. And I'd be really freaked out of a partner of mine admitted to an interest in it!

Did you hear about the man who tried to have sex with a dog, but the muscles in the dogs arsehole contracted, trapping the dog on the mans penis?

He had to go to A and E (or ER, if you're american) with the dog still attached to his penis.

Doesn't get more embarrassing than that, does it?

[himind]

I'm kinda surprised that such a topic raises taboos and makes people uncomfortable even in a place like this,but I can understand it.Bestiality is one of the last tabbos,I mean after this,what?Many people recoil from the thought of it,and at the same time can't avert their eyes if they happen to see a film or pic,and I've seen this in vanilla people too.As for me I think I'd love my sub to have it,if she was not too uncomfortable about the idea.It would be the ultimate homage!

[Polaris]

Did you hear about the man who tried to have sex with a dog, but the muscles in the dogs arsehole contracted, trapping the dog on the mans penis?

I presume it was a nice change for the docs to operate a man out of an asshole rather than operating something out of his asshole...I hear that happens quite frequently

Joking aside, I don't have an interest in bestiality per se, but I found this thread quite interesting so far, so I thought I'd chime in.

What really got me thinking was all the legal talk. Thing is, under my jurisdiction BDSM practices are actually illegal. Every lovely, caring and wonderful dom who decides to do whatever we agree upon strictly taken commits a crime. If he spanks me, canes me, crops me...whatever -- it's battery. The law insists that there is nothing like "consensual abuse". I, as a consenting submissive who really enjoys the act, am a victim under the law and need to be protected. Now I'm sure most of us will agree that it's okay -- as long as it is safe, sane and consensual.

For the vanilla world things that are common for BDSM people are actually "on the dark side". It's as much taboo to them as bestiality might be taboo to some of us. So I'd say as long as it safe, sane and consensual it has to be okay. Yes, I'm aware that animals can't use safe-words. But I believe that you can very well get a vibe whether the animal is in discomfort or pain if you pay attention -- as somebody already noted in this thread, sorry I forgot who it was

Although bestiality is nothing I'd ever try (and, to be perfectly honest, it actually gives me the creeps to consider it in earnest -- I'm not wanting to be judgemental, it's just not my thing at all) I find the thought quite interesting from a power/loss of control point of view.

Anyway, just my two cents!

[Gr1m'sGirl]

I am very interested in bestiality, I have been for years. I've never had many experiences with it, just the nose to pussy thing. It felt alright, but I'm not really a big fan of receiving oral. I'd much rather be fucked by a dog than be licked.

I'm lucky that my Master is also interested in this, we plan to get a large dog.

[rover]

fucking animals is sick and wrong

[_ID_]

fucking animals is sick and wrong

Glad to see your so open minded

[rover]

well 99.999999 % of the poulation wld agree with me

Sick and perverted

[_ID_]

Would love to see those stats.

[lisalusts79]

i think any kind of sex is okay. it's sex, right? ok, maybe not rape, but consensual 'rape'. i am a sub and more than anything enjoy sex when i am being taken over and used. In other words, dominated. i had sex with our lab over a period of about six months while my husband (now ex) was overseas. It was kind of a way to get off and not cheat (though i never told him about any of it). he licked me, i sucked him. we had vaginal sex to completion. as i am sure most people here know (sorry, i'm a newbie), it's kind of a patience game, and very messy unless he stays in you the whole time (which he won't). But it was also very hot, i admit. there was a point where i would let him into the bedroom in the morning, get back in bed and he would come and fuck me like my husband used to. sort of. my point is, i don't think there was anything remotely abusive about it, it was consensual, and at times it was actually very very sexy.

[~faerie~]

well 99.999999 % of the poulation wld agree with me

Sick and perverted

While it may not be everyone's cup of tea, you should be respectful of others interests and ideas. To each his/her own as they saying goes. If you don't agree with or like something and you don't have anything constructive to say, don't post.
Thank you.

[_ID_]

Ok, so not too sure this link actually falls into this thread, but since it is human animal contact of a semi erotic nature I thought this would be the best place for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFmFm7N7M0o

[Jack_The_Trainer]

Hi all this is a first post for me i have joined here yesterday so have not read many threads, first of all great site glad to be here , now that is done with down to my beleifs on the original subject. I am a horse trainer and have been known to use restraints on a horse ( a halter for starters) and when using such restraints a horse dog or whatever, it can become stressed, could this not this not be considered abuse? Yet it is legal in every country in the world. I must state that my personal prefference is ONLY human females.
But I dont consider being fucked or fucking a horse, dog, pig, whatever turns you on any more abusive than training one in the conventional method, it is not like the animal is going to find it any more abusive. The animal is not going to turn around and say "Oh my god i am being raped" and be traumatized for the rest of it's life.

Well that is my oppinion.... for what it is worth

[rover]

Well its just plain wrong. Most normal (sane) people would thinks its extremely sick and a sign of a twisted and distorted mind.

What is wrong with people??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!