Quote Originally Posted by submissivewife
I am wondering about your statement, "sub enjoys being punished". I can't speak for all subs, but I sincerly hate punishment. When I am being punished the pain, that I would normally enjoy, is unfulling, humiliating and just awful. If I am in a scene and playing then I thoroughly enjoy the pain. It is a phycological state that I am put in that brings out which I will have: pain with pleasure that is fulfilling or pain with punishment that is more of a torment.

I understand, and once again I was kind of tripped up by words. What do you call all the things you do to a sub when you're playing? The spanking, flogging, the clamps; the tying and binding, caressing and pinching, kissing and biting, the wax and whatever else you use? You can't call them "torture" because they don't all involve pain, and "play" always sounds to me like you're talking about a game of hopscotch or Crazy Eights. They're not "discipline", because that implies you're trying to teach them something, so for want of a better word, I called them "punishment".

What I meant though was the kind of erotic torment she goes through in a session, the kind that's uncomfortable but so arousing.