( I had just finished typing out a reply to all this when just before I clicked the post button I had a 2 second power failure here and all was lost. What follows is an attempt to recreate what I had written )

What a wonderful group of gorean women we have on this site. It is so refreshing to see so much insight for a change.

For many years as I wandered around the internet I kept hearing about this gift of submission over and over again. I had girls offering it to me as they served me paga in the taverns, I watched as others proclaimed it to the world standing next to a grinning guy in furs rubbing his hands in glee and I thought to myself what in the heck are these people talking about.

Why are these "slaves" wanting to give this gift of submission to me or him?

She should be giving it to herself.

Once she has freed herself to just be submissive (her true self) then she is free to ask for something from me. My acceptance. Her place in the relationship is never in doubt, she is what she is and I am what I am.

I realize that there are many people out there that only play BDSM as a bedroom game and under those circumstances the giving of ones submission and dominance to each other for a short period of time could be deemed appropiate. For a gorean it is sheer folly.

I am a Dom, I do not assume the role with my companion for sex or for the weekend, I help her when needed (training) to be the same way. I am what I am all the time even though it might not seem that way to an outsider.

(ok, I give this has turned into the readers digest version of what I wrote before.)