Cheeseburger -

Yes, kids do make mistakes. And when they do, you need to discipline them. Why? For their own good. So that later they won't make those mistakes. If you're 12 and you steal a candy bar, you get scolded. If you're 30 and you steal, you get thrown in jail. Better to learn while you're young, wouldn't you agree?
Yes, I do think you have to discipline kids when they fuck up, but I also think that the measures should be more carefully thought out. I don't want to see a kid stealing a candy bar to go to jail, either.

Returning to abortion, if a kid gets pregnant, goes to an abortion clinic, gets an abortion without telling her parents, she won't know she's done something bad! Heck, it was fun!
See, that's what I meant when I said that we shouldn't make the decision for or against abortion too easy. I don't want children to go to a clinic without talking to anyone about this, it's irresponsible and I agree that they might not learn a great deal from that.

IDCrewDawg -

Then in my view, if you get pregnant, you should be held accountable for this action. As the male, if I were to get a girl pregnant, and she was using all the same things, I know I would be responsible for the care of this child, equally as much as you, yes you have to carry it, but we both must live with it.
Oh, please...I still think that it's not comparable and reality teaches us the same thing, right? First of all...pregnancy is ALL on the woman and it's not an easy time to go through. So yeah, I'm with the people who want to place the decision for or against abortion in the hands of the woman. And second...it usually is the woman who has to take care of the child once it's there - the men who don't want to be involved have the option to leave and pay, the women usually don't.

I know there's a lot of responsible men out there, but usually those are not the ones that are involved when the question of abortion is in the room. So, please, don't take this as a general beating on men, it was never meant that way.

Silke