Quote Originally Posted by samm View Post
If I see this correctly I find that there are two major ways in which punishment is used in bdsm:

It is used to, and I quote Ragoczy (in a post that gave me inspiration for this thread),

In this case punishment should not be enjoyed by the sub, because obviously the sub should learn from it and not want to be punished again.

But on the other hand, punishment is seen as part of a role play where one (acts that he/she) has done something wrong and therefore has to be punished by the Dom(me). In this case the punishment is often something the sub enjoys like being tied up and spanked.


Probably everyone has his/her own vision about punishment, so I'm wondering how do you use punishment?
Quote Originally Posted by samm View Post
I don't really see why people want to use punishments that the sub doesn't enjoy, because that would take the fun out of the play, wouldn't it? Or maybe it is just my vision that it should be fun for both.
That is like saying a child should enjoy their punishment when bad...

Subs are punished when they misbehave... when they show lack of respect to their Dom/me and have to be corrected ..

In a proper s/D relationship that is a good portion for it's existence... To Obey.. To respect.. And never ever defy his/hers Dom/mes wishes or wants... If a sub does this against her Dom/me... especially under contract or agreement.. then it is cause for punishment that will change the out look and response of the subs actions so it will never happen again... Thus it must be something the sub does not like... and if severe enough .. it should push their hard limits...



Quote Originally Posted by samm View Post
But on the other hand, punishment is seen as part of a roleplay where one (acts that he/she) has done something wrong and therefore has to be punished by the Dom(me). In this case the punishment is often something the sub enjoys like being tied up and spanked.
In this statement the keyword is "Role Play" It is play and not true punishment.. It is an act that is supposed to be fun as it is play..


Maybe that will help you understand the difference between the two punishments samm.. I hope i have helped and that others will give you their opinion..

Just my opinion

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