I don't mean to be a pain, and I don't mean to attack anyone...but I have some serious trouble wrapping my brain about these concepts (or constructions)...

Quote Originally Posted by Flesh Seraph View Post
Concept 1 ends with the subject being punished for abnormal behaviour. Concept 3 ends with the subject being punished for normal behaviour.
Maybe the difficulty here is the use of the word "concept" and "construction". By sharing a concept, I mean that the example illustrates the same point as the former, even if it is in a different way.
So, umm, dressing the way your dominant demands/desires of you is abnormal behaviour? Agreeing that you are a slut if your dominant demands/desires is normal behaviour?


Quote Originally Posted by Flesh Seraph View Post
Honestly, it couldn't matter less. The only point I have been trying to make, this entire time, is that truth is not a hard and fast rule when discipline is to be handed down. Often, an intellectually dishonest sequence of statements or orders is a pretense for play.
Again, if this is what works for you that's fine -- as long as everybody involved knows the rules to play the game, as annie so eloquently put it. And again -- are we talking about discipline or play punishments? I'm personally not a big fan of play punishments, simply because he can do this if he chooses to do it simply because he wants to...but I can see why it is fun for others. I would be very careful, however, as far as 'real' punishments are concerned. Don't punish your sub for things she/he didn't do wrong. If you do I'll guarantee that sooner or later you'll get responses that are, indeed, non-sensical and definitely undesired. So, it matters. A lot. At least to some of us, apparently.

I agree that truth is not a hard and fast rule. Still, there is a big difference between what you call a 'dishonest sequence of statements or orders' as a 'pretense for play' and being punished for reacting to this dishonest sequence in a logical, reasonable way. It is not the 'you're a little slut' part that bothers me here. It is the 'I'm going to punish you for agreeing with me' part that gets to me. I'm afraid I can't put it any better than I already did, so I'll just stop my ramblings....for now!