Jez, wow I threw this thread up expecting a few replys four maybe tops it gets me kind of gitty to see all this conversation from silly little me. I have to throw my two cents in now though. I love talking to anyone who is fetishist or d/s or what ever. I find myself blending into lots of "alternative" cultures also being bi I find that the Domme/sub relationship and the Dom/sub relationships to be completely different. I would love to chat on here more but my I am currently in what I would call an apprenticeship and my job takes most my life. I wanted to give my thoughts on points to some things people have said through out the thread.

First being how men are raised to take the lead. I find this true but only in some instances and this ideal is being slowly bled away as women are raised to lead there own career lives and so on. Yet still in some instances like in a vanilla relationship the guy is expected to take the lead, and if not he tends to fall into the dreaded friend category. Also in a d/s relationship I think a Dom/me can sit back and let the sub do all the work as long as there are specific orders and guidelines already set up.

Also as being a male sub who has frequented this site on and off for about three years (I changed screen names for certain reasons.) that I would love to converse more but I find myself so limited in this online dialog and enjoy face to face, or face to feet depending on how restrictive the Dom/me is
which brings me to a question I have for the people here, I work in a kitchen overnight and my boss is pretty chill well a chill as a short french man can be but I keep wanting to ask for specific days off (one day every month) so I can go to the monthly munch in the area, but he knows me I don't ask for days off unless its important, so I don't know what to tell him so I can get said day off without having to trounce out my whole sexual lifestyle. Any suggestions ladies and gents?

I think this is satisfactory and it makes sense but then again I all caffeined up.