Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
Firstly, you attack both my claim and my supporting evidence, without providing a counterclaim or any sources of your own. I still contend the parallels to conservatism are striking, where this is often the predominant tactic in all sorts of debates (particularly evolution). I was not making the argument that conservatives are the only side who distort history. I was more claiming that the instant disagreement without any supportive evidence.

Well, for one thing, I believe what is asked for is sources. (as in, out of that list of books, what are the excerpts within them that are your exact sources?)

Another thing...Theodore Roosevelt was a very liberal Republican. He was not conservative at all.

Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
The problem with the historic justification of "well everyone else was doing it" is that it can justify all sorts of atrocities, including the holocaust (It's not like other empires weren't oppressing minorities through the use of concentration camps, torture and slaughter).

I really don't think you can equate the holocaust with coercion to extract vital information in order to save thousands of innocent lives. I just don't see how it justifies those atrocities (or equates to them).

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As for the choice of forum, there have been other talks about waterboarding in this thread. I find it interesting to look at the history of waterboarding by and against Americans, particularly since it shows that by Americans goes unpunished while against Americans results in executions.

It goes unpunished? Hmmm...On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier near Da Nang. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk." This picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier. That can be found in the history of waterboarding...a link I posted previously.