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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    Just pressing the "Thanks" button is insufficient for this posting.
    I am pleased to have someone that is calling into question the propensity of the Sadistic method of positing an argument.
    Along with stating the consistent refusal of providing supporting data when requested.
    Or the DuncanONeil method of attacking an argument by avoiding to talk about the material at hand at all, but rather criticizing anything that avoids discussing the material at hand. I have responded to criticism on the sources by first providing source materials (the books involved) and some particular sources as well. You have said nothing relating to the Philippines in approximately 10 consecutive posts in a thread on the Philippines.

    You also assert without any source or supporting documents that the ability to determine ones origins (or even ethnic grouping since the matter at hand is black vs asian) was not present in the early 20th century.

    You state utterly absurd statements as self-evident and unsupported facts yet chastise people for commenting on historical events when they aren't willing to look up the exact page number and paragraph of a quote that you'll never look up anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
    You also assert without any source or supporting documents that the ability to determine ones origins (or even ethnic grouping since the matter at hand is black vs asian) was not present in the early 20th century.
    First of all Filipinos would not be Asian, they are actually quite a mixed lot.
    Also far from claiming any credentials I did have an anthropological course that had a section related to human genotypes. During which it was made clear that physical appearance is the worst indicator of said genotype. With this being displayed in the late 20th century it is easy to see how it could be more of an issue just barely out of the 19th!
    But a bit of research indicates that the racial term may have been inappropriately to the negritos
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    First of all Filipinos would not be Asian, they are actually quite a mixed lot.
    Also far from claiming any credentials I did have an anthropological course that had a section related to human genotypes. During which it was made clear that physical appearance is the worst indicator of said genotype. With this being displayed in the late 20th century it is easy to see how it could be more of an issue just barely out of the 19th!
    But a bit of research indicates that the racial term may have been inappropriately to the negritos
    I asked for a source. Anything I post based on my life experience and my courses you dismiss as irrelevant because it lacks a written source. Kindly hold yourself to the same standards you asked of others. Not I once took this course a while a go, and it had this one section and if I remember it right it said this :P

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    Getting a bit testy are we? I am not the one that took you to task! And at least I did qualify my statement.
    Anywho!
    Filipinos generally belong to several Asian ethnic groups.(Lewis, Paul M. (2009). Languages of Philippines. Ethnologue: Languages of the World (16th ed.). Dallas, Tex.: SIL International.) Taiwanese aborigines migrated to the Philippines from Taiwan, displacing the earlier Negrito groups of the islands. Eventually Chinese, Spanish, and American arrivals intermarried with the various indigenous ethnic groups that had evolved.(Capelli, Christian, James F. Wilson, Martin Richards, Michael P. H. Stumpf, Fiona Gratrix, Stephen Oppenheimer, Peter Underhill, et al. (2001-02-01). "A Predominantly Indigenous Paternal Heritage for the Austronesian-Speaking Peoples of Insular South Asia and Oceania") Their descendants are known as mestizos.("The Impact of Spanish Rule in the Philippines". (2009). Tagalog at NIU. Retrieved 2009-12-19 from the Northern Illinois University, Center for Southeast Asian Studies, SEAsite Project.)
    Hope you find that satisfactory, however ....


    Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
    I asked for a source. Anything I post based on my life experience and my courses you dismiss as irrelevant because it lacks a written source. Kindly hold yourself to the same standards you asked of others. Not I once took this course a while a go, and it had this one section and if I remember it right it said this :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    Getting a bit testy are we? I am not the one that took you to task! And at least I did qualify my statement.
    Anywho!
    Filipinos generally belong to several Asian ethnic groups.(Lewis, Paul M. (2009). Languages of Philippines. Ethnologue: Languages of the World (16th ed.). Dallas, Tex.: SIL International.) Taiwanese aborigines migrated to the Philippines from Taiwan, displacing the earlier Negrito groups of the islands. Eventually Chinese, Spanish, and American arrivals intermarried with the various indigenous ethnic groups that had evolved.(Capelli, Christian, James F. Wilson, Martin Richards, Michael P. H. Stumpf, Fiona Gratrix, Stephen Oppenheimer, Peter Underhill, et al. (2001-02-01). "A Predominantly Indigenous Paternal Heritage for the Austronesian-Speaking Peoples of Insular South Asia and Oceania") Their descendants are known as mestizos.("The Impact of Spanish Rule in the Philippines". (2009). Tagalog at NIU. Retrieved 2009-12-19 from the Northern Illinois University, Center for Southeast Asian Studies, SEAsite Project.)
    Hope you find that satisfactory, however ....
    I'd still argue that this shows the details were not understood, but doesn't provide a reasonable belief that the Filipino's were of African origin, as represented to the American public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
    I'd still argue that this shows the details were not understood, but doesn't provide a reasonable belief that the Filipino's were of African origin, as represented to the American public.
    Did you complete miss the reference to the Negrito people?

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    One group as all groups

    If I were to say the US is a country of black people that would be misrepresenting the country.

    The fact is there were a bunch of diverse origins and while the president may have felt negritos were of African origin, that doesn`t excuse the fact that for political gain he represented the entire country as being of that group.

    Your data specifically indicates a large number of diverse groups, that existed before the Americans came on the island. You indicate, that because one particular group of people may have believed to be of African origin it is ok to represent the entire country as being of African origin, and to misrepresent its population and attitudes for political gain.

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