The Church orders Wives to Submit to their Husbands

[thir]

On this paticular topic, that being a vicar promoting a piece of the church in question's doctrine for women to submit to their husbands; I fail to see what the big deal is.

If said vicar has no actual power: none. But in older days they did, and people had to comply. We do not want to go there again.

Is that all that different from the position of evolutionary biologists?

Yes, of course. I refer to all the discussions regarding this.

I have to wonder why you think its so horrible thing for a woman to submit to her husband.

This is the bdsm library, and obviously no one thinks it is horrible. But the majority happens to believe in consuality.

A personal choice, not a demand from someone('s god.)

I also have to wonder : Are you also saying that a slave or submissive then shouldnt submit in similar fashion to her master or dominnat ?

This is the library. No one would suggest that people who want to should not submit. The fashion in which to do this is between them and their Master or Mistress.

IMO submission is not something you could, or indeed should try to impose from without. It is nobody's business to tell someone else to submit, and in the undemocratic states where this is nevertheless done, people have to knuckle under and pretend, in order to survive, or avoid severe punishments.

A person submits, IMO, from within. Pouring out like clean water from within themselves.

[steelish]

A person submits, IMO, from within. Pouring out like clean water from within themselves.

Exactly! So well said!!!

And on another note...it is possible to submit to someone you do not love, just as it is possible to love someone to whom you do not submit.