Thank you denuseri for a very entertaining thread

I would like to know where those myths comes from? what kind of people express them? Nr 2 is just ridiculus and I cannot imagine anyone being more than a few weeks familiar with bdsm saying that...
Nr 1 I dont get your point? what are you trying to say?

We all consent to everything on a case by case basis, yes. That should be obvious to everybody. If somebody is holding a gun to my head and tells me to hand over my wallet, do I really have a choice though? You are thinking about it at a very shallow and detatched and "intellectual" level. Of course we all consent to our own actions... But that is simply not useful in the real world, outside of thought expriments.

Do you really think its wrong to say that a slave has given up consent? Of course, she does not become a robot, trapped in her own body performing against her will as she looks on helplessly... Still, she has put a lot of power in her owners hands. She might very well not feel like she is consenting on a case by case basis, but consenting to having choices made for her, to having her power to make choices taken away.

Now, if there is somebody out there, creating myths that say, "slaves are actual puppets without actual thoughts. They cannot think or make choices and are basically machines programmable by their masters" then yeah i guess you debunked that.

But to say that giving up consent, in some way or another, is not the reality of slaves... then I dont know who is creating myths.