When you make refrences to scources that are hardly unbiased or take what others have said completely out of context and or twist them around to suit your own agenda what do you expect for me to say?

Like the whole Cloward-Piven thing...which btw was not implemented at all in the way in which it was presented nor with the intention of producing all of the effects postulated.

Nor does it represent the Progressive or the Socialist movements as a whole in any way shape or form. Especially the Republicans who identitfy themselves as such. Whose intentions I clearly stated straight from their web site and you and Duncan appear to have ignored.

As for the topic...namely Obama and weather or not he is or is not a Socialist and what that could mean for us the American people and the world.

Do you honestly think he is personally out to destroy eaither of the above?

He may be just as suckie, perhaps even worse in some peoples eyes (certianly mine I was against him all through the election if you recall) than his immediate predessesor, but some evil genius working for radical islamic communist jihadists group bent on destruction of the world...give me a break seriously.

As for where I get my news...sighs...first off, I double and triple check anything I hear from any media source main stream or otherwise sometimes with boolean searches becuase its been my experience that sophistry is alive and well and contemporary journalists have little or no compunction against using it.

As for who my statements referenced in the quote you provided were intended for...I was addressing Duncan initially in that post though that paticular part wasnt nessesarally to him personally; I was however refering to any and all people who resort to such...so if you feel like the shoe fits you too honey, well then maby I was speaking to you as well.

In any event I can see that any other participation by myself in this paticular thread will be utterly useless...so in the words of perhaps one of the last principled journalists to ever grace the airwaves ...

"Good night, and good luck".