Is Obama a Socialist?

[DuncanONeil]

(F)amiliar spectacle of the Right pointing its guns in exactly the wrong direction,

Again I am perforce required to view this as an attempt at an allegory. But you must agree that taking it only as written is intended to imply that all the guns belong to the right. Presuming that real guns are those referred to, since the right does not currently have the power of Washington, does it not seem silly to suggest that some 40% of the population owns 100% of the guns?

"The number of guns owned by civilians in the United States is between 238 million and 276 million, ..., the study by the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva" The US gun stock: results from the 2004 national firearms survey

"38% of households and 26% of individuals reported owning at least one firearm. This corresponds to 42 million US households with firearms, and 57 million adult gun owners." (Department of Health Policy and Management, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts, USA)
This works out to around four guns per owner. However if we apply the statistical data that about 40% of the population is Conservative these figures now become 22.8 million conservatives owning 238 million firearms, with 10.5 firearms each. The second seems quite preposterous.

Yes I know Gun ownership is not evenly spread.

[DuncanONeil]

(T)he real and well documented threat to men's fertility in the developed world

I have not heard this could I get some citations for review?

[DuncanONeil]

Amazing. What could possibly give them such a totally groundless and unsupported impression? Don't they watch the news?

Sometimes it is hard to tell, without being able to see expressions and hear tones of voice, if you are serious or not.
If not could you include a (tic) with your comments?

[DuncanONeil]

Ever wonder if Fox is being paid by the RNC? As right wing as they are, I highly doubt that

No I do not! But then again I do not see the totality of Fox operating in a manner anywhere near the manner of the likes of the people I mentioned.

"Fox's 1.3 million prime-time viewers: 52 percent are conservative, 30 percent moderate and 13 percent liberal. ... The liberals' media favorites are slightly less lopsided. "NewsHour's" audience is 22 percent conservative, 44 percent moderate and 27 percent liberal. NPR's audience is 31 percent conservative, 33 percent moderate and 30 percent liberal." (Robert J. Samuelson June 28, 2004 Newsweek). These numbers provide evidence that one side of the political spectrum is less biased that the other. The numbers show that conservatives are more inclined to listen to both sides of an issue while liberals are not so inclined.

[steelish]

You are just like the citizens of Rome, watching the games while the Empire dissolves.

I have been saying (over and over again) that the problems in Washington are not partisan, they are equally corrupt!

[Lion]

No I do not! But then again I do not see the totality of Fox operating in a manner anywhere near the manner of the likes of the people I mentioned.

"Fox's 1.3 million prime-time viewers: 52 percent are conservative, 30 percent moderate and 13 percent liberal. ... The liberals' media favorites are slightly less lopsided. "NewsHour's" audience is 22 percent conservative, 44 percent moderate and 27 percent liberal. NPR's audience is 31 percent conservative, 33 percent moderate and 30 percent liberal." (Robert J. Samuelson June 28, 2004 Newsweek). These numbers provide evidence that one side of the political spectrum is less biased that the other. The numbers show that conservatives are more inclined to listen to both sides of an issue while liberals are not so inclined.

Bit of an assumption you've drawn there.

[steelish]

Bit of an assumption you've drawn there.

Not really. I watch NBC, CNN and read the daily paper in addition to watching Fox News. Fox News is a conservative station, to be certain. What I find amusing is how Glenn Beck shows his sources and encourages his viewers to "not take my word for it...DON'T blindly believe what I tell you. Investigate. Make your own decisions." People ARE now investigating things. That much is obvious. Have any liberals specifically sat and watched Fox, or do they simply agree with what the other stations say about Fox News without actually seeing for themselves, that is the question.

Heh. I have yet to see NBC, CBS, CNN, CNBC, etc. tell their viewers to "not take their word for it" to "investigate all their claims".

[MMI]

Heh. I have yet to see NBC, CBS, CNN, CNBC, etc. tell their viewers to "not take their word for it" to "investigate all their claims".

Perhaps they credit their viewers with sufficient nous to investigate on their own initiative.

[Lion]

Not really. I watch NBC, CNN and read the daily paper in addition to watching Fox News. Fox News is a conservative station, to be certain. What I find amusing is how Glenn Beck shows his sources and encourages his viewers to "not take my word for it...DON'T blindly believe what I tell you. Investigate. Make your own decisions." People ARE now investigating things. That much is obvious. Have any liberals specifically sat and watched Fox, or do they simply agree with what the other stations say about Fox News without actually seeing for themselves, that is the question.

Heh. I have yet to see NBC, CBS, CNN, CNBC, etc. tell their viewers to "not take their word for it" to "investigate all their claims".

Beck described himself on the View as a commentator as opposed to a journalist. Anyone who thinks him as a journalist has been misled. So yeah, check his facts.


And I was replying to Duncan's assertion that by a few statistics, you can't assume one side is more biased then the other. I can pull out a whole bunch on stats based on teen pregnancy, education rates, crime rates, etc and show you how Red States are behind then blue states, but it's not a fair assumption I can make without actually researching into the topic, figuring out social and other aspects in it.

Hopefully I haven't done this, (If so please call me out) but generalizing isn't helping any discussion. I know and deeply admire some people with politics that vastly differ from mine, but that doesn't mean either of us is ignorant, or biased. Senseless name calling dumbs down the discussion rather then promote solutions.