Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
For the most part I have no quarrel with someone having faith. I think faith can be a good thing, whether it's applied to your husband or your god. The phrase, "dependance upon God" confuses me, though. Just what are you dependent upon regarding God? You mentioned health and recovery earlier. Are you depending on God to help you? Or are you going to the doctor for help? If praying to God makes you feel calmer and eases your mind, naturally that's going to help you to recover. But you cannot rely solely on prayer.


I'm not trying to proselytize and turn people away from their gods, here. I am interested in how people feel they interact with their gods, especially on a personal level. I do try to argue people away from organized religions, since it's been my experience that following such religions puts an intermediary (priest, minister, rabbi, etc.) between a person and his god. So if you want to continue this we can start a new thread and have a frank discussion about faith, and lack of faith.

give it a name and i will happily attend...

no, recovery is not just about prayer. It is largely about action in an altruistic sense of the word, largely about doing what has worked for others based on the faith that i can stay sober doing what they did. its largely about being willing to believe that God can remove the things that diminish my usefulness to others. i couldn't stop using, i have stopped using. i did all i could do to stop using except for allowing God in and all i got was high. once i allowed god of my own understanding in and did what i could to get the garbage out...i got better. doesn't matter whether or not that isn't anything other than therapeutic ideas at work. Tried science and my own will, tried marriage, kids, good reasons and bad reasons, tried everything and nothing but this worked. give it a name and i will follow the thread there.