Originally posted by BDSM_Tourguide
In fact, most people in cases of rape, tend to overcompensate in their lives in one way or the other.
As do children of alcoholics.

Rape victim typically tend to either become very promiscuous sexually or obese, or both in some cases.

ME: I’d like to see the numbers of that population sample. Prove the correlation, please. There is nothing to say that obesity and sexual promiscuity are exclusive to rape victims. That has the capacity to manifest in any type of abuse……be it mental, physical, or emotional. Nor should it be excluded from other types of self-destructive behavior.


Victims of abuse may have very healthy self-esteems, but they tend to become abusers themselves. Most chronic abusers are very, very self-assured. That's what makes them so attractive to their victims. Well, that and repeat patterning events.

ME: Its cyclical. But the way you have written it, which may not be your intention, is that it is only one way or the other. These are the only two forms that it may manifest and this perpetuates the eternal victim, therefore, I disagree. It is possible for people to make it out and move beyond. When you line people up as only able to move within that small of a parameter you have limited them.
I also disagree with chronic abusers being self-assured. They manipulate. When you manipulate your not operating from a place of strength. If you were then you wouldn’t need to manipulate. You can’t have both. Its contradictory.


What tends to cause low self-esteem are overbearing or ineffective parents and bullying. The child feels helpless and, therefore, makes himself that way over the course of his life. Basically, in the simplest of terms, it's also repeat patterning and it is a conditioned response.

ME: And this is different from "deviance" stemming from a break or nonexistent tie w/ any agent of socialization, how? Its only conditioned until you become aware. Hey, there was no such thing as the Kodak kid till the 1940's. No such thing. They were miniture adults. It takes years for people to stop being influenced. Those people ARE still alive.

Whether you like psychology or not, our mental and emotional habits are formed our of our experiences and patterns.

ME: I did not say that people weren’t shaped by those forces. In fact, I will take it further by saying that they are shaped by ethnicity, race, gender, geography, industry and politics. Its called a world view.


Also, as far as sciences being faddish, I'd like to point the finger at supposed weight loss plans before I start pointing my fingers at applied sciences.

ME: It’s a soft science. Just like Soc, history and (gasp) economics. I’m merely indicating my preference. I have found that it, usually, makes it easier if people know where I am coming from. You see, here’s the problem with this applied science, its theories and there are a lot of them and they are judged by somebody’s standards. The trick is…….by whose standards. Whose expectations? Who decides the roles and how they should be played? Husband? Parents? The middle class which supports the ruling class? The ruling gender? Whites? Protestants? Factories? If I am not happy by someone elses standards, should I take the prescription that cuts off all emotions so I don’t feel anything………but I CONTINUE to perform? Will those same expectations be there in 5 years? Or 10 years? Nu-huh. I don’t think so. How long ago was it that they stopped giving shock treatments for homosexuality and or any other “deviant” behavior? Not long enough.