@Austerus: you and I obviously have a similar taste for lively discussions, which hopefully people can read and learn from.

Each of the points I made and you replied to are a condensed summary of advice and guidelines. I have a suspicion this is yet again a questions of semantics, or points of view, or even what we have been taught be our parents, and as with the vast majority of things in bdsm what is correct for one person may be incorrect for others.

I have listed the responsibilies that I attempt to adhere to, and I built that list based on what I have gleaned from various sites. In reality as an imperfect human being I do not always stick to them - it is hard to demonstrate control if you are killing yourself laughing at something hilarious that occasionally occurs in the middle of what is supposed to be a serious scene.

But also I have realised that I forgot to mention the keypoint about what we are talkiing about - whatever you do in this lifestyle use common sense - and when you do you will rarely stray.

And reverting back to the original post by the gorgeous vicky what that Dom did was unforgivable.

VV