about caning

[kittenfemme]

Ooooh... a wonderful reminder Curtis. Thank you. I've two willows near my apartment building. I'll have to keep that in mind when one of my subs gets a smart mouth. Though I really hope my Mistress doesn't read that or come up with the same idea!

As for bruising by cane, woodsman'sgame, it can be horrible to turn and see your bum, thighs, calves, feet, and breasts in a mirror. Keep in mind that I have very fair skin and bruise easily, but the thin, deep bruises I've had from canes usually start as thin, dark black stripes that continue to hurt for days after... sometimes up to two weeks. Even if someone breaks my skin with a cane that tends to be the result.

Cane bruises on me begin to fade after a about a week. They turn blue or purple and eventually a sickly green or yellow. Usually the effected area has stopped throbbing every time I sit or that the skin rubs against my clothing by that point. It seems like forever before the bruises go away completely, though it's usually only ten to sixteen days.

[e.e. norcod]

Aha! Thinking like a true citizen of the New World, use what is available and adapt it to your use. Any resilient switch is less likely to bruise than a rattan cane provided it is thin enough.

The first trick to to balance the velocity with which the switch is wielded with the length of the switch and the thinness of the switch for a given material. This is usually determined empirically in about 45 seconds.

Be sure to remove bumps and sharp points from the switch as these are what really cuts. Yes, the submissive, the first time they are being disciplined generally reports feeling the pain of being cut to ribbons. However, aside from spectacular welting, cuts are rare (if poperly done) and the submissive is spared the bruises of the cane.

I would be interested in hearing from submissives that have been chastised with the switch. What are their experiences, thoughts and emotions?

[e.e. norcod]

To Kittenfemme

I really think that such a degree of bruising is unacceptable. This indicates that bleeding is occurring in the subcutaneous tissues. Such a caning is not simply inflicting pain, it is causing real physical damage. Damage to this extent can cause fever and in some case difficulty in breathing. There are better ways of chastisement, refer to my note above. Try the switch or another implement such as a strap but it is wrong to inflict severe prolonged damage.

What we write in our fiction is fiction. It is designed to satisfy our own fantasies and hopefully to give enjoyment to others. It is the nature of kink that some things that others find to be a turn off (pain, loss of control) are a turn on to some of us. However, in my opinion, inflicting bodily injury (bruises that last several weeks), is not part of bdsm. Let's keep that reserved for our fiction.

[kittenfemme]

Originally posted by e.e. norcod However, in my opinion, inflicting bodily injury (bruises that last several weeks), is not part of bdsm. Let's keep that reserved for our fiction. [/B]

I respectfully disagree. Your limits are not my limits. While a severe instrument, I think canes are on the mild end of things when compared to a knife, scalpel, or singletail.

I have contracts and long negotiations with Dommes just so that they know exactly how far they can go. In such an environment, I think there can be room for anything. I've cut, been cut, bitten through skin, been bitten, and even been stung by a scorpion during one scene. Each was something I agreed to beforehand for reasons contained in my own desires. As such, I think bdsm is the perfect, if perhaps not the only, environment where things of a damaging nature can occur and not cause psychological torment... at least not psychological torment that isn't intended (please pardon the x2 negative).

As for better chastisements, I think that's best left between the Dominant and their submissive. What is effective for one pair or group may not be for another. This post is case in point.

[e.e. norcod]

In that respect you are right and I am showing myself to be an old fuddy-duddy.

Ultimately BDSM is about control rather than pain or even tissue damage. And you are right in that the metes and bounds of the scope of BDSM are the battleground for control between Domme and sub. You are the one ultimately in control.

On the other hand thirty years ago I was fuddy-duddying about safesex. I got ignored. Almost all of those who ignored me are dead. I take no satisfaction in this. I remember them. Many of them I still mourn for they were excellent friends.

All of the above being said, can I recommend to your Domme that you deserve three dozen of the best? And the photos of the result to be posted to the Personal Photography thread with updates in color every three days to show the evolution of the bruises!

Corrected but still unrepentant.

[kittenfemme]

Originally posted by e.e. norcod
All of the above being said, can I recommend to your Domme that you deserve three dozen of the best? And the photos of the result to be posted to the Personal Photography thread with updates in color every three days to show the evolution of the bruises!

Eeep! Three dozen! Do you have any idea what you're saying!?!? *grovel* I'll be good!

Though you've a wonderful idea. The next time I'm caned or cane one of my submissives I'll try to keep this forum in mind.

[e.e. norcod]

That you should even consider my extreme and obstreporous proposal is kindly appreciated. An out of hand rejection would have been perfectly within your power.

I am sure that we all look forward to the fruits of your research worked out on the buttocks and thighs of your submissive young ladies published on this site.

[slavelucy]

Okay - i hope no one minds if i give this thread a bump

The reason for doing so is because i was wondering about canes/caning and wondered if anyone would have anything further to share/say on the issue, especially with there being so many new folks around.

What sort of things was i interested in knowing? Hmmm, not sure really, it's just something myself and WW were interested in looking into but know very little about, so i'd be interested in hearing about people's experiences with it, safety aspects, where one would actually buy one (i.e. from some specialist shop or just from a garden centre?!)...indeed, anything anyone wants to say on the subject.

Cheers

sl

[e.b.]

Hiya sl,

Wow...I read this thread a few days ago and didn't have time to post as school's been absolutely crazy. I'm back now though and surprised to see no one's thrown their two cents in here. Anyway, I am by no means an expert on canes, but I do enjoy them so hopefully some of this may be helpful for you and WW, as well as any other interested readers.

First, my experience has been quite positive...I've only been caned twice, both times by an experienced dom, and both times have left me craving more. The typical paired track marks from the cane were left on my ass, and it hurt like hell during the caning, but there was no deep tissue damage...the pain when sitting was gone within 24 hours and the marks made their pretty progression through the colors of bruising and were gone in a week or two. So...they can still be lovely instruments of torture without any more concern about tissue damage than plenty of other cp tools.

A few things though...my wrists and ankles were bound with me spread face down over a spanking bench both times...which I'd say is a good plan. If you want the whole schoolgirl bending over the desk and counting and all, go for it...but I was glad to be able to soak up the pain without having to hold myself up too. Take your time between strokes, as the actual impact hurts, but what hurts more are the after-effects as the skin decompresses. So a minute at least between strokes is wise. Having the dom practice his aim first on a pillow or something if he's new to caning is essential to get a feel for speed and force. Even better would be to learn from someone who's already proficient with a cane.

As far as types, I've only experienced bamboo and rattan. Both were lovely and painful, but if you really want to go all out, fiberglass canes are apparently quite the experience for a pain slut. And of course, there's always a bundle of birch branches that does nicely for a switching. Let me tell you, being sent to go fetch the branches and prepare them (you have to sand the rough edges and all) for your own switching does wonders if you're into humiliation.

So...where to get them...I'd ask whomever you find to help show you the basics where he/she gets his/hers. Sometimes home improvement stores have something...furniture makers may also. There are also some good sites o/l that will help you find what's best for you. I've used one site run by a couple in New York that does a good job...I don't know if there are easier places for you guys that would be in the UK, but send me a pm if you'd like the web addy for the NY site.

Also, Curtis, kittenfemme, Nikka (all of whom I miss btw ), and e.e. norcod all make good suggestions above.

Good luck, be careful, and have fun!

eb

[slavelucy]

Wow, that's GREAT, just what i wanted, thanks so much e.b. *gives great big huggles*. i'll be sure to let ya know how it goes if and when we try it. Yikes.

lucy x

[maratsade]

I'm a latecomer(?) I realise. But my ha'porth may be worthwhile none the less.

We're all different, thank the Gods. I have a very sensitive skin - not to mention my soul! Quite a relaxed cut can produce very satisfactory results, both for me and my domme -- a sharp pain in my buttocks, which then forks through my limbs to my fingers and toes. She knows me now, and how to space the strokes, so that each builds on the previous one, gradually raising the level of torment. We have a whipping bench, and I'm strapped down very firmly, so that I can only move my head. In addition to the cumulative effect, the spaces also provide room for my fear to grow, and for her to enjoy this. We have several mirrors, so that I can see her petting the end of the cane between strokes and smiling, as she lays it on my buttocks and takes aim for the next cut.

Usually I am not gagged. But she expects me to show fortitude. Normally shaking my head to-and-fro is a permissible expression of travail, as is a moderate sound through clenched teeth. And she doesn't mind my fingers clenching the frame as I wait for the next one. Anything less disciplined than this brings penalties.

Last time, after I had had about 18, and was at the end of my tether, she said that she wanted to give me six more. Before I could stop myself I replied that I wasn't sure that I could bear it. Whereupon she told me that my protest had made her wish even stronger, and that I should prepare myself for 12. She offered me a choice (she's all heart) between turning up the CD player or a gag, explaining that she was thinking about the neighbours.
I said that perhaps 'facing the music' might be the appropriate choice. She enjoyed this, but also thought it a bit sassy, and decided to gag me as well.

So I had 12 more, very slowly, delivered to the accompaniment of Samuel Barber's Adagio.

By the end the pain was inhabiting every nook and cranny of my body, and my soul was cringing in helpless fear. But two days later there wasn't a mark on me - though there was a desire for revenge.

That's at one end. At the other, it is really necessary to practice with a cane, which is hard to control. My domme is very good and very accurate, placing the cuts just where she wants them. I'm more erratic, even with practice - perhaps because she likes to be hit harder. So yes, when I'm on top, I favour a lovely little synthetic stinger, which she says has her wanting to climb out of the window. It's much more appropriate than a cane for the tender insides her thighs and her breasts, where really light flicks in a steady rhythm can build to something pretty remarkable.

Both of us find the esperience wonderful in itself, and a terrific preparation for sex.