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Veronika Is BDSM a religion? 11-25-2008, 07:25 AM
MasterBaron1945 reply 11-25-2008, 07:48 AM
satisfied I don't feel that there is... 11-25-2008, 07:55 AM
Veronika Why would you find it... 11-25-2008, 09:53 AM
Soaul All views are welcome I... 11-25-2008, 09:58 AM
fetishdj I agree with this... if you... 11-25-2008, 10:28 AM
fetishdj I agree with this... if you... 11-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Veronika Fetishdj: You are making good... 11-25-2008, 11:08 AM
Soaul Religions have both mysticism... 11-25-2008, 08:14 AM
Flaming_Redhead What you have noticed is true... 11-25-2008, 09:08 AM
fetishdj BDSM is a lifestyle but not a... 11-25-2008, 09:33 AM
CookieMan The worship that you hear of... 11-25-2008, 09:41 AM
SubmissiveDoll re⋅li⋅gion –noun 1. a set... 11-25-2008, 09:58 AM
Veronika Do you believe that Jesus... 11-25-2008, 10:18 AM
SubmissiveDoll I'll answer this. I... 11-25-2008, 10:56 AM
leah06 Yipes. Clearly you've hit a... 11-25-2008, 10:58 AM
SubmissiveDoll This is beautiful Rachel. ... 11-25-2008, 11:08 AM
Veronika Which questions exactly? I... 11-25-2008, 11:22 AM
his_girl_l [QUOTE=Veronika;765481]Do you... 11-26-2008, 03:04 AM
Aibo Religion. I hope not, and... 11-25-2008, 10:14 AM
Veronika This is interesting, could... 11-25-2008, 10:22 AM
Aibo Even though this thread... 11-25-2008, 01:17 PM
Veronika True. Also might I add the... 11-25-2008, 01:40 PM
sinderella i'm not sure how being... 11-25-2008, 02:45 PM
Aibo Hello sindarella, it is with... 11-25-2008, 03:16 PM
CookieMan Well shoot. I thought this... 11-25-2008, 11:13 AM
satisfied Originally Posted by Veronika... 11-25-2008, 11:33 AM
Veronika I think it's possible that... 11-25-2008, 11:45 AM
denuseri Alltough this thread would be... 11-25-2008, 11:46 AM
Flaming_Redhead I have never run across the... 11-25-2008, 12:00 PM
Veronika Yes but the husband and wife... 11-25-2008, 12:36 PM
Flaming_Redhead That would be in a perfect... 11-25-2008, 01:43 PM
Veronika Anything against the word of... 11-25-2008, 01:54 PM
efwb2 Religion is a faith, e.g.... 11-25-2008, 02:02 PM
SubmissiveDoll I think the quote you are... 11-25-2008, 02:33 PM
denuseri I have seen the slaves prayer... 11-25-2008, 12:08 PM
Pearlgem Reading over your questions... 11-25-2008, 01:37 PM
Veronika In other words, I'm not... 11-25-2008, 01:48 PM
Pearlgem Are you interested in... 11-25-2008, 02:09 PM
Veronika Lol, sure turn everything... 11-25-2008, 02:11 PM
Veronika Okay so now after 15 posts... 11-25-2008, 02:01 PM
sinderella Veronika, what are you doing... 11-25-2008, 02:05 PM
Veronika I didn't bring that word up. 11-25-2008, 02:09 PM
sinderella i know. i was just adding... 11-25-2008, 02:33 PM
Veronika I wanted to start discussion... 11-25-2008, 02:22 PM
fetishdj Hmmm.... certainly a rather... 11-25-2008, 02:26 PM
Veronika I'm glad you think so too! :) 11-25-2008, 02:51 PM
Pearlgem I think it would be... 11-25-2008, 02:38 PM
sinderella "Make it so, Number One." :)... 11-25-2008, 03:56 PM
thepast A MESSAGE FROM YOUR FRIENDLY... 11-25-2008, 04:31 PM
damyanti As someone who has a bit of a... 11-26-2008, 02:37 AM
Veronika Please read my posts 24 and... 11-26-2008, 03:38 AM
lucy This thread once more showed... 11-26-2008, 04:33 AM
Veronika I appreciate that, thanks. 11-26-2008, 05:13 AM
hopperboo NO it is not a religion...imo. 11-26-2008, 12:02 PM
TwstdKittie I feel that if you were going... 11-27-2008, 02:40 AM
Matin lol this is a good one 11-29-2008, 12:22 AM
wind_dancer{W_W} For me it is a religion... 11-30-2008, 04:40 PM
IAN 2411 As anyone bothered to look up... 12-20-2009, 07:35 AM
SadisticNature BDSM, Religion and Cults 12-20-2009, 02:40 PM
Thorne Well that lets me out! My... 12-21-2009, 06:20 AM
Wiscoman People actually study cults... 12-20-2009, 04:17 PM
Izzydoodle Just a thought, but the BDSM... 04-07-2010, 04:43 AM
angelhunter The spark to the flame 06-19-2010, 04:14 PM
xspy4u Ahhh...my specialty....I have... 06-19-2010, 10:45 PM
ropekitty Kink as a tool. 08-04-2010, 01:02 PM
Blepharospasm www.isaacgruzinsky.com 08-04-2010, 03:30 PM
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    As anyone bothered to look up the word religion, if you haven't then this will be a surprise to all you non believers. Intpret it in any way you wish, my belief is that it is a religion and a faith.

    Wicipedia.

    This article is about a general set of beliefs about life, purpose, etc.
    A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one's origins, one's place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways. Religion is often equated with faith and belief in a higher power or truth, but it is more properly defined as the pattern of action that expresses that faith, and reinforces it in day-to-day living. Thus, one can share the philosophy of a religion, believing in its higher truth, without manifesting that faith religiously.
    Aspects of religion include narrative, symbolism, beliefs, and practices that are supposed to give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life. Whether the meaning centers on a deity or deities, or an ultimate truth Religion is commonly identified by the practitioner's prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things, and is often interwoven with society and politics. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience.
    The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction. "Religion" is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system, but it is more socially defined than personal convictions, and it entails specific behaviors, respectively.
    The development of religion has taken many forms in various cultures. It considers psychological and social roots, along with origins and historical development.

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    BDSM, Religion and Cults

    BDSM is neither a religion nor a cult in my opinion.

    I think there is ample evidence already in this thread to support the fact that BDSM is not a religion, most importantly the fact that it goes against the basic definition of religion.

    As for the more extreme claim that BDSM is a cult, I strongly disagree. Firstly, cults often try to indoctrinate minors, which BDSM strictly avoids with age limits. Secondly, BDSM offers a lot of personal freedom to both Doms and subs with regards to even such fundamental things about what BDSM is. You wouldn't see Scientologists offering these choices about the meaning of Scientology for instance.

    Thirdly, while each group or event has its own rules, these are often a matter of practicality, and vary wildly from event to event even within the same organization. The dress code for a munch for instance is radically different than the dress code for a play party and each is often dictated by the location of the event, and other practical considerations. This is a far cry from some sort of uniform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian 2411 View Post
    A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one's origins ...
    Well that lets me out! My life is as far from systematic as you can get!
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    People actually study cults and have found that they all operate along similar lines, so -- for the sake of context -- here are the characteristics of a cult from International Cultic Studies Association:

    Quote Originally Posted by ICSA
    The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

    ‪Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

    ‪Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

    ‪The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

    ‪The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

    ‪The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

    ‪The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

    ‪The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

    ‪The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

    ‪Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

    ‪The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

    ‪The group is preoccupied with making money.

    ‪Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

    ‪Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

    ‪The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
    Obviously, some of this will sound familiar since we're dealing with issues of control. But I've got to tell you, if "Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group" applies to you, run -- don't walk -- from that relationship.

    My verdict; not a religion, and certainly not a cult.
    Let's all be nonconformist

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    Just a thought, but the BDSM lifestyle could be a good example of Civil Religion. It performs some of the functions that religion does, for example a sense of unity/community, uniform, rules, stuff like that. Football is often considered a Civil Religion, if that's the case that surely BDSM is too? Like i said, just a thought.

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    The spark to the flame

    There was a discussion at our Buddhist meeting, "is Buddhism a religion?" In our form of Buddhism there are no Gods, no creation story or talk of how the universe will end. In studying Buddhism is nothing about debate that started in India and migrated to China then Japan.

    In all religions all major religion has a base and debate is part of it. There are some who say Jesus is only a prophet, some say he is the son of God and some say he is God. The debate goes on.

    I believe any type of thinking can become a religion. Everything starts with the spark to the flame. If bondage is something that you feel very strongly and it feels like it is big part of you and then who can say it's not a religion. I think the key word for me in the word religion is finding who you are. Some have to have a divine being and some can find some other path. Your path is yours, it is personal and dear to the one who walks the path. For me in general, I always said that science is my main religion and Buddhism is my secondary.

    I believe in cause and effect and what science calls action and reaction. You can not deny action and reaction. Maybe one day, the fire will create a inferno and who knows maybe bondage can be a religion. Did the early Christians know that this religion would have been so massive? What will be the religion of tomorrow? Or better yet, maybe religion will die, who knows.

    Nuff said.

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    Ahhh...my specialty....I have extenisive time spent in the study of religion and a BDSM lifetsyle does not fit a "religous" system of belief and order in the purely "western sense." However, religion is by design a method by which we explain our purpose and our place in the greater scheme of things...so we could at least call the lifestyle a "spiritual"pursuit. Now on to my Christian friend. Although a topic avoided by most evangelistic Christians, we know...yes we know...that most of Christianity was borrowed from more ancient religions...starting with a little tale called Genesis that Moses made changes to from the Egyptian story of Geb and Nut. We also know that historians of Jesus' time missed all the miracles of Jesus, that Nazareth did not exist until 75 years after Christ's alleged death, that the words of Jesus in Mathew are different than in John...where Jesus moves from Son to God himself...and that most of the ceremonies were borrowed from the Pagans....that being said, although I am not a practitioner of BDSM nor a Christian...please don't use as evidence a book written by a bunch of folks who slayed so many in the name of their borrowed god. I respect your right to keep your own faith, but not to cast judgement under the guise of curiousty - "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 6:1)

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    Kink as a tool.

    My own humble views on this topic is I don't really see it as a religion but that doesn't mean one cannot use it in their religious pracitices. There is one thing I have the urge to point out is where yes submissives/slaves hold their Doms/Masters/Owners in high respects they also know that their Owners are human and therefore also make mistakes as well as need support and everything else that humans need. Some, I am guilty of this in the past, forget that Doms are human and elevate them to a higher level then they really are. Is this a bad thing? in some cases it is because setting someone so high up will eventually have them come crashing down in the subs eyes at some point (in general). So, yes the kinks of queening and "whorshipping" feet and other body parts are out there, I do not think it is the same as what I do in my faith with a higher being that isn't human.

    To slightly touch on my views of how one would use kink in their faith, if I'm not going too far off on topic, would be using kink as a tool to get to a goal/place in ones mind (I really hope I am saying this correctly). For example, One path that is out there is known as the Ordeal path. This is where one goes through an odreal to get to an altered state/other reasons. Having a scene set up with a person that is more intense and both parties are aware of the goals allows the kink to be used as a tool in one's ways of practicing their faith. That's one general way I look at mixing kink and my religion, but I would never call bdsm my religion.

    ~RK~

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