Bestiality

[dirtygirl]

please forgive my naive ignorance, but my question is sincere, out of curiosity.
Are there no health issues related to having sex with an animal?

[blythe spirit]

There are, I'm certain, diseases that can be transmitted through semen, urine, saliva, etc. Not to mention fatal allergic reactions, such as anaphylaxis.

However, I've heard from animal lovers that a dog's tongue is cleaner than a human's. *shrugs* Never researched the veracity of that, though.

[locopup]

I dont knock anyones fetish. As I like all kinds of bdsm activities. But I am against beastiality for the fact that humans in alot of cases would be forcing the animale to have sex. So in a way they are raping a cat, dog, goat, bird, or whatever. So yes, I see it as abuse and illegally in most of if not all areas of the US.

[FatherTimejr]

One of my personal largest...turn ons? fetishes? I dont know, fantasy's in the end is femaleH/maledog sex. Now I agree that forcing an animal that is unwilling to act, is abuse, I do not feel that a dog who willingly, albeit perhaps not through his intelligence but more so instinct would be abuse.

I mean a dog who feels the instinct to mate, and the need and desire, isnt wholly different from a really horny guy. Why not let him at it? not to mention the tongue, if he feels like taking a taste, I dont see whats wrong with it.

Now i CAN understand women not wanting to participate, I mean to each there own, I like to watch and so on. Ive found that especially in fantasy roleplays and such with it, writings and such, ive found that alot of women find it to be a very primal sort of fantasy, perhaps not one they would live out, but none the less a strong one.

Whether or not an animal can choose I think is essentially irrelevant, due to the fact that if they have no need mentally to choose, if their instincts lead them into that action and they participate then they are fine. And most dogs if they dont want to, wont participate and/or will fight back.

Someone posted, and im not sure, about their being problems with realy dominant alpha dogs. I WILL give this a point, if you are going for it with ah...larger animals often times, it CAN be a problem, in that the dog can take to her like shes well...his bitch...and ive read occasions where the husband is attacked by the dog for trying to fuck the wife. So this being said you either need to train the dog well, or make sure the dog is tame enough to not have this issue.

But either way I find it to be an extremely extremely hot fantasy and were I to find a female partner interested in including it...welll...-halo-

[blythe spirit]

Well, FTjr., I'm guessing you're not alone in your thoughts as the internet is alive and well with sites on just this very thing. And whilst, there might be some women/men that enjoy this activity, I'm certain that most of the videos/pics, etc on these sites doing what they're doing are probably well-paid actors.

You say, you "enjoy watching." I'm interested in the turn-on this activity has for the viewer. Does it cause the watcher to become aroused? (well, duh, apparently so or these websites wouldn't exist lol) But I guess I want more detail as to what thoughts goes through the viewers mind when watching. Care to share?

[FatherTimejr]

wow it took me several drafts to respond blythe.

Part of me enjoys watching I think a great deal just because of the I dont know....beastial side of it, especially in a female girl/male dog, theirs something....I dont know, its hard to describe, but seeing the dog jsut go at it and her enjoying it so much is just incredibly attractive on so many levels.

Another part of it, it seems to me to have a very...well, dominating feel to it the way it happens at least with the dogs, and in the terms of thinking of if I had a sub and it wasnt a hard limit etc...and I think someone mentioned it, but it seems it could be one of the farthest steps of submission, submitting to do that, and imagining that occuring is part of it as well.

Ive done alot of online scenes and such with subs involving situations like that and so forth so it has alot of added conotations (sp) for me.

I hope that made sense, if it doesnt, and as I think about it, i'll continue with this but well...yeah!

as well I dont believe any of this applys to everyone, it took a great deal of time for ME to come to terms with the fact that its something I enjoy.

[blythe spirit]

Thank you FTjr. This subject is for many, taboo; therefore, it was very brave for you to come forward and admit your pleasure.

Whilst your post made sense, something is still not clear to me. You state that you enjoy watching the submissive derive pleasure from the act and in the next paragraph suggest that it may be a "hard limit" for her and would prove her ultimate commitment to submit to you.

If, indeed, it's a hard limit, why do think she'd be enjoying the act? Could it be that knowing she's not enjoying it and doing it despite how much she's repulsed by it, is exciting to you, because she's doing it for you?

[FatherTimejr]

no, what I meant in that second paragraph is considering if it WASNT a hard limit for her. While I like to push boundries I also very much respect a hard limit, and so no in my imagination it would be a situation where it wasnt a hard limit for her.

Though there are have been times in some of my dealings with subs over the web and such where she had never done anything even in her imagination with beastiality and to her was a soft limit, but was willing to experiment for me, and at the begining it did seem to repulse her some, but then she REALLY got into it, and in the end found she really enjoyed it. Happened twice I think if I remember. That being said, if it had turned out not to be something she enjoyed I would not have continued.

Now...if it was a hard limit and she willingly consented to it....well honestly I hadnt really thought about that. I might enjoy it from the mere fact that she did it for me, to prove her loyalty, but im fairly sure I wouldnt derive the same sexual pleasure as I would otherwise.

[Snark]

Having watched a few (maybe more than a few) videos of this activity, it seems fairly apparent that a 140+lb great dane or rottweiler isn't going to to be forced into a sex act that he doesn't want to do. Quite the contrary, every single one of them is eager, willing, almost frantic to do the deed. It certainly doesn't seem like they are enduring a lot of abuse.

Snark

[shayna{L_D}]

okay i am chiming in a little late but.. chiming in is what ill do.

When i frist got into BDSM (around 19 years old) i thought of beastiality as a NO NO, hard limit, so gross, never gunna do it, so on and so forth..It was never in fantasies, it was so far out of my mind kink wise.

Then i met a boy...wait a man,that i fell in love with (online), head over heels, and he was into beatiality. We would role play a lot, and he told me that he was into this kinda stuff. I,wanting to please him so badly, opened my mind to it, and started to role play with it, it became something we would role play about all the time, it started to turn me on and really get me going.

He then asked me if i was ever presented with a situation where i could have a dog fuck me, would i do it? I had to think long and hard about it.Yes in the role plays and fantasys it was nice,fun,exciting,new, kinky and got me horny. But could i ever do it in real life? In the end my answer was 'i dont know' i cant get my mind wrapped around it,i cant see myself in that situation, and i cant imagine me doing it. So the answer would really be no, but i wouldnt rule anything out.

Him and I have broken up and stopped talking, and does the k9 fastasys still lurk in my mind? Not at all they left right along with him. I dont sit around and dream about a dog fucking me, or me doing things to the dog, or visa versa. Was i into it with him? Yes. Without him im not into it.

do i think people that have had a bestiality expierence are gross? Not at all, heck more power to ya, its your kink!


Never deny what turns you on, ever. Thats what i learned. No matter how kinky or sick you may think it is there is someone else out there that is just as "sick" or as kinky as you.

Abuse to the animal, i think not. If its a male dog fucking a female human then he wants to, he is not being held against his doggy will to fuck a human. If he didnt want to do it then he wouldnt.

[blythe spirit]

Thanks for responding, FTjr. Interesting.

And Snark, I agree, it doesn't seem like they're being forced in videos; however, is there maybe a lure to do the "deed?" Did you ever think that perhaps there's incentive for them to complete the act?

We train animals in all sorts of ways with positive reinforcement. So I'm of the mind that even a great dane or rottweiler, could be trained likewise.

Question for anyone who wishes to respond: If you are blindfolded, have sound taken from you, are spread eagle and suddenly feel a tongue working your nether regions - does it not feel just as good, be it beast or human - man or woman?

I won't respond because I hate oral performed on me. lol

[FatherTimejr]

well to start i'll say, even if they are trained in this way, is it abuse if it feeds their nature?

id say a man with a female animal would be considered abuse as someone stated earlier, just because even if you wanted to claim "well she was in heat!" or some such, its not quite the same as a dog willingly humping someone.

And as for your question blythe, im not a woman so im not sure it would quite apply to me -wryly- somehow I dont think a dog would take to oral sex on a man to anywhere near the same degree as a woman

That being said, and If im wrong I dont mean to put words in any womans mouth, however I mean, a tongue is a tongue, a dog tongue might have a different texture, but id imagine the pleasure would be the same, perhaps not as skilled though as a human who knows what he/she is doing.

But in the end it seems that a scene like you described, if you never knew it was a hound going at you, or which sex it was, then its perhaps a literal approach to ignorance is bliss.

[SirMcDoogle]

I have helped several girls over the years step into beastiatliy and most were ont he grounds of, "This is so disgusting no way!!". one girl i new many years ago was so taken with not only the idea but her golden retriever Rex that she suggested i marry them before they actually fornicated.

It was an interesting situtation but i went ahead with it and dhse put a scarf on him and would usually draw a lil poor print on her butt as a symbol of their union.

I ask those who are skeptical not to judge those who are interested in this lifestyle. It is un fair on them. most know they have these feelings but try so hard to push them down and feel so bad about it, that when they can finnaly bring it out into the open they are very self concious about it.

If someone enjoys something and finds another who will help them let them be

[walkingdude225]

First off, i dont care what anybody dose behind closed doors but or me i would never do it, i am not into it but hey to reach his or hers own. Yet, i will give my reason in not being into it and forme this one is a good reason, you cant ask the animal if they want to have sex, therefore since you do know what the animal wants.. you might have to think of it as your forcing the animal in to something it dose not want to do .. and i am not into that idea...yes its a slipery slope logic but i will take it back if someone disproves me on it.

[blythe spirit]

When I was a wee lass (about nine years old) I had a boxer. I came from the shower, went into my bedroom, bent over to get my panties and the boxer licked me. He was neither forced, nor enticed, he just did it.

Of course, at nine, I was shocked. I jumped and turned abruptly to smack his snout, reprimanding him with "bad dog!"

I don't know if this disproves your idea, dude, but I am of the opinion that some dogs just do things like that. I can't tell you how many times a male dog humped my leg or stuck it's nose in my crotch. OMG! How terribly embarrassing.

[Snark]

Having had a 150#+ male, un-neutered Dobe, I can assure you that you don't have to "ask" what the critter wants, nor do you have to "lure" him to do it. I do reccommend that if you wish to get in his way that you either a: be bigger and prepared to combat him for it, or b: be the one that he KNOWS is in control! A horny dog, much less a large horny dog, knows what he wants, where it is and what to do. He may need help hitting his target (they don't seem to watch, just hump) especially if there is a big difference in leg length. But otherwise...stand back and out from under...unless you enjoy that perspective.

the Snark.

ps. I'll NEVER abuse an animal. But if they aren't objecting to what they're doing, I might watch.

[megaen]

well it's not my thing to do, but if your going to do it well that would be between you and the animal i guess.... *grin*

[tdav73]

when i was younger i had a girlfriend that was into this
she lived on the outskirts of town and they had alittle farm
i went to see her one saturday and her mom told my she was working in the barn
so i went out there to find her on her hands and knees getting it from behind from her husky
i was dumbfounded to say the least be i was very turned on by the site of it
me and her had not had sex yet we had only been dating for a week or so but after her dog got done she ask if i wanted to be next
i didn't say a word and got behind her and had amazing sex
after that we spent alot of time in her barn with her dog
so i guess i would say that im not againts it its a very good turn on for me
and always remember as long as everyone is happy through it all nothing is wrong with it

[understudy]

Where do we draw the line? If one employs acrobatic semantics one can ostesibily justify and defend even the most egregious behaviour. If someone gives you their permission to murder them becase they no longer want to live is it ok then to kill that person?

[Ozme52]

Where do we draw the line? If one employs acrobatic semantics one can ostesibily justify and defend even the most egregious behaviour. If someone gives you their permission to murder them becase they no longer want to live is it ok then to kill that person?

How so acrobatic? You mean if I use a more acceptable word, euthanasia, I am somehow twisting your argument with semantics instead of addressing the real issue? Sorry, but isn't that the point of language? To express ideas, and alternate perspectives, to make a point? And by the same token, to use language skills to point out fallacious arguments as well. Acrobatics? Better acrobatics than the equivalent of online BLUDGEONING.

[Snark]

So bestiality is the same as murder? That is a rather acrobatic line of semantics itself! If anything that seems objectionable to another is to be forbidden, then this forum will be vacated rather suddenly. This thread has been open for over three years; many have expressed dislike for bestiality, others have supported it. So do we draw the line at rope, but not steel? Whips no longer than 21.5"? Horses but not dogs? Much of the behavior discussed on this forum is illegal in some areas. In other places it is displayed openly. The bigger question becomes WHO gets to draw WHAT line.

[Ozme52]

So bestiality is the same as murder?

Well, some theologians might think so.

That is a rather acrobatic line of semantics itself!

My point too.

If anything that seems objectionable to another is to be forbidden, then this forum will be vacated rather suddenly. This thread has been open for over three years; many have expressed dislike for bestiality, others have supported it. So do we draw the line at rope, but not steel? Whips no longer than 21.5"? Horses but not dogs? Much of the behavior discussed on this forum is illegal in some areas. In other places it is displayed openly. The bigger question becomes WHO gets to draw WHAT line.

And of course, that's the whole point of the argument. At least have a consistant position. Calling the kettle black is a common fault, even amongst us kinksters.

Nice post snark.

[Snark]

Thank you, Wiz

[amber321]

I am trying to catch up on threads but readily admit that I have no time to read thru all of these replies...in fact, I only read the first few, so if I am echoing anyone, sorry. I just wanted to hurry up and put in my thoughts before I have to leave.

One of the differences between the animals and us is we make choices.

For instance, if a man or woman gets aroused, we do NOT HAVE to screw the next person that comes along. We can control ourselves.

If a man gets a hard on, he does not have to stick it into the next inter or intra species hole that he sees. A dog does. It's not willingness, lust, romance-- It's instinct. He has no choice.

If you train and/or entice that dog to have sex with you (or any person else), it's not even just instinctual reaction to scents and such any more. It's rape!

Hell, I'm not even saying that that's Wrong!

I absolutely love a good steak, wearing leather, and getting spanked with leather. So, basically, even though I am not doing the slaughtering myself, I am reaping the benefits of wholesale cow murder and very much enjoying those benefits. And will do so til the day I become plant fertizer.

So who the hell am I to condemn dog or horse or hippo rape if I am all for the murder of pigs, cows, buffalo (which is VERY good eating btw), etc ?!

I'm just saying, please, let's be honest here and not talk, like I saw on the first pages, like there is any consent or any of the other prerequisites we attribute to our relationships and lifestyles, when we are discussing fucking animals of either gender by men or women.

[tdav73]

good point thank you

[Snark]

As you said, you haven't read the whole thread. But if animals copulate purely by instinct, then whether it's with another animal or a human it is rape by your description. Many vegetarians would consider eating meat to constitute murder. So, if it's rape, then meat is murder! It is very difficult to ascribe legality (or illegality) to any instinctual behavior, whether with humans or other animals. Under Sharia, what we would describe as rape is immoral fornication by the female if she can't produce 4 male witnesses in her defense. Who draws what line...?

[amber321]

it would be a good point except for that the female animal is not making a choice EITHER...when she "entices" the sex it is not willingness, romance, lust, love either

it is PURE instinct... it is her time ... neither of them have a choice.. when we "are in season" we do not have to jump on the first hard penis we come across... we can control ourselves... if you want to get absolutely technical then is not rape when one of the participants has a choice and the other doesnt? animals then dont rape each other since they are BOTH acting on instinct... neither can control themselves. We can!

men and women have sex by choice (whether by our desires or implicit consent with our mate/partner)...unless its rape of course. i cannot speak to shariah or any other custom, but i will say out loud if BOTH parties are not acting with those conditions, i am calling it rape.

when a human takes advantage of an animal of either gender and trains it or entices it to have sex with us by whatever means we divise when WE have the choice and they dont, its rape

i addressed the vegiterian aspect by already readily admitting that i am condoning the mass murder of pigs, cows, buffalo, ostritch etc. because i will eat them, wear them, and hopefully be spanked by them til i expire.

i also readilly admitted that i am not even saying animal rape is wrong !

im just saying lets call it what it is and not "justify" it by attributing anything like "consent" to the act... do it dont do it, but lets certainly not equate what we do by choice to animal mating... we do what we do because unless we too are raped, we made the decision to... whether by mutual lust, desire, depravity (just kidding lol...sort of), what have you... animals dont

[Snark]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I view rape as a violent assault of another person - usually female. The instigator uses violent force to demonstrate control, inflict pain, usually both physical and mental. The sexual aspect provides humiliating, tortuous dominance over the other. Any sexual gratification derived is a manifestation of the sociopathic nature of the attacker. This hardly describes an act of copulation between a willing female (or male) and a male animal. It could describe such an act between a male human and a female animal, though I don't believe that is the nature of this thread.

By the way, describing Sharia as a "custom" is like describing the US Constitution as a "historically interesting document". Both describe the basis of rule of law, holding the literal power of life or death over individuals within it's domain. Both set the principles for societal behavior and establish governmental relationships with the citizens within.

[amber321]

you are describing the extreme end of a rape "scale" for lack of another word

let me illustrate

a woman (just for the purpose of this example... i know it happens to men too) is unknowingly given a drug

taken to a house and given a candle lit bubble bath, laid down on 3000 count egyptian sheets. he goes down on her, gently carressing, slow tender sex with a condom follows, she is tucked in to sleep, woke with a kiss and breakfast in bed.

not a mark on her to show from the experience

it was rape! he had a choice of what he was doing... she didnt.

i would never persume to think when a human wants to have sex with any species of animal, that he or she meant to harm it, torture, or what have you

but i dont care how scrumptious a biscuit, the dog (for example) is given when its over, it was rape cause one party (the human) had a choice... the animal didnt

really tho, my whole purpose was to point out that we should not be talking like the animal has any consent in the matter ... not whether its right or wrong or moral etc

[Snark]

Yes, it was rape. It was also a tender act of brutal control and personal violation. And it was an example of sociopathic behavior. (Actually, that is part of a scenario I am including in a story I am currently writing.) The animal doesn't have a base of morality to distinguish proper behavior. He doesn't care. Actually, he gets his rocks off and generally enjoys the activity whether it's human or dog. (Using a dog as example. Usually horses are more passive with humans than with those of their own species.) The point is that all too often people ascribe human morals and laws to the acts of animals. (In years past animals could be tried for their actions against humans in some cultures.) If you let a dog hump your leg until he climaxes, how different is that from allowing him the use of a human vagina? He doesn't care less...no, actually he prefers the crotch. It's warmer. So it's a matter of consent? On whose behalf? The owner of the leg or the owner of the vagina? My point is that the dog in this case is not being harmed, he will actively participate and return to do it again. He won't go running off and the only instruction necessary is for him to understand that he won't be punished for his actions. Bodily dimensions are different between humans and dogs, so there is a bit of adjustment to be learned, but if you've ever watched a Great Dane with a Beagle (in either direction) you'll see that they learn the adjustment pretty quickly. It isn't cruel (to the dog) to allow a dog to participate in sexual congress with a human. It could certainly be cruel to the human if she didn't want to be there. That's a different thread. As I stated before, which you may or may not have read...having owned a 150#+ un-neutered male Doberman, if he doesn't want to do something he will surely let you know. Likewise he'll let you know if he wants to. And if you disagree you better be a bigger Alpha than he is if you want to win. Fortunately for me...I won. Every time! (Only got bit three times in his life, never broke the skin. His way of making a point, I made a better one.) The concept of it being rape simply because there was no consent given by the dog who not only enjoyed it but will repeat the action every time he gets a chance is to me, a stretch of the term. In your case the woman did not give the consent, not the man. If she had consented but he didn't, but still performed the act would you say that he had been raped? Even if she had been drugged? Rape is an act of force. Gentle or not, tender or not, using a knife or a drug, it is force. I'd love to watch someone try to force a 150# male Dobie do something he doesn't WANT to do. Here's a clue: dial 91 and have a 1 on speed dial.