New York Police Handcuff First-Grader

[IAN 2411]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/salecia-joh...at-school.html

Well it seems that the police just love handcuffing children...do they realise how stupidly brutal they look to the rest of the world. I understand that the child was throwing a tandrum, but give me a break. I just hope these police officers have no children. I see the good old fall back was there, call the social services and get the child off our backs. Not a lot diferent from the UK on that score. Still they are getting younger they might have better luck with 4 and 5 year olds.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

I see the good old fall back was there, call the social services and get the child off our backs. Not a lot diferent from the UK on that score.

What is the school supposed to do? If they try to discipline the child, the parents will be all over them for abuse. If they don't do anything, and another child gets hurt, parents will be all over them. So they call the police/social services, who come and do their jobs and the parents are all over them.

Of course, calling the parents to come and take care of their child might not do any good, either, since so many parents believe their child is a little angel and the school/police are overreacting.

Was it necessary to handcuff her? Maybe not, but a slap on the butt to get her attention wouldn't have gone over very well either. And remember, the police do have procedures, and if they put those procedures aside and something happened to the girl, the whole community would have been on their case. Seems like a no-win situation for all concerned.

[lucy]

A six year old charged with assault and damage to property? Wow, just wow. Also: Yer doin' it rong, folks.

[IAN 2411]

What is the school supposed to do? If they try to discipline the child, the parents will be all over them for abuse. If they don't do anything, and another child gets hurt, parents will be all over them. So they call the police/social services, who come and do their jobs and the parents are all over them.

I will say that as the child was 6 years old the teacher was probably young with no children of her own. I doubt whether he/she has seen a child in a tantrum before unless it was he/she when they were a child. I am probably right in saying that because he/she stood back and let it go on because of his/her inept knowledge of childrens behaviour for so long is the reason why it got worse.

Of course, calling the parents to come and take care of their child might not do any good, either, since so many parents believe their child is a little angel and the school/police are overreacting.

That is a stupid argument. Are you telling me that if it was your child, that is what you would say? If not, then why would you think other parents would?

Was it necessary to handcuff her?

Probably by the time the police got there it was the safest option, for both child and police.

And remember, the police do have procedures, and if they put those procedures aside and something happened to the girl, the whole community would have been on their case. Seems like a no-win situation for all concerned.

I don’t think that I have ever heard of a case similar in the UK or Europe where a child of this age has been cuffed and taken to the police station and charged. I am in no doubt that when she was there she would be well looked after and I have no reason to think otherwise. Locked up in a cell! I take with a pinch of salt, and in this case I will take the police officers statement as fact. The Americans have made their laws so hard that there is no room for manoeuvre and I do sympathise with the police on that fact. I would think that if they called the social services to the school and they called the police, then that person in the social services should not be in that job.

I do agree with lucy that to be charged with assault and damage at six years old is a bit over the top. The mind boggles at the stupidity of that addition. I wonder what the minnimum sentence for that is when she goes in front of Judge Judy?

Be well IAN 2411

[lucy]

That is a stupid argument. Are you telling me that if it was your child, that is what you would say? If not, then why would you think other parents would?

Because that's what other parents would say, actually. Some months ago I came out of our house and saw an approximately 12 year old boy working on my bike with a wrench. He apparently wanted to steal the pedals. After I told him to get lost he called me a dumb cunt, which earned him a firm slap.
Ten minutes later he came back, with his fuckhead of a father in tow, who threatened me that he'd go to the police. The notion that his fucked up offspring wasn't only a thieve but also had no manners whatsoever never crossed the father's head.
Also, the youngster was too dumb to realize that pedals have a left-hand thread, at least one of each pair.

[Stealth694]

I have lost count of the times I have seen a 6-7 year old throwing a grand Mall Temper Tantrum and the mother just stands there doing nothing. Don't these "parents" realize the more these kids get away with when they are 6-7 the more violent they will be in their teens? I agree Handcuffing a 6 year old maybe a bit of overkill, but some of these "Fucked up Offspring" will soon be old enough to cause real damage and injury.

[Thorne]

I will say that as the child was 6 years old the teacher was probably young with no children of her own. I doubt whether he/she has seen a child in a tantrum before unless it was he/she when they were a child. I am probably right in saying that because he/she stood back and let it go on because of his/her inept knowledge of childrens behaviour for so long is the reason why it got worse.

Actually, sometimes the best way to handle a kid throwing a tantrum is to ignore him. The lack of attention can be more of a lesson than a spank on the butt. Of course, you have to make certain they can't hurt themselves or someone else. Once they start throwing things you might have to make them secure. I never had to resort to handcuffs, though.

That is a stupid argument. Are you telling me that if it was your child, that is what you would say? If not, then why would you think other parents would?

Experience. Like lucy, I've had parents tell me to my face that there child would not and DID not do what I saw them doing. I even had one woman tell me her children never tell lies! She got rather upset when I told her that either her children were mutes or she was deluded.

Probably by the time the police got there it was the safest option, for both child and police.

Possibly. I have seen some pretty violent tantrums.

I do agree with lucy that to be charged with assault and damage at six years old is a bit over the top. The mind boggles at the stupidity of that addition. I wonder what the minnimum sentence for that is when she goes in front of Judge Judy?

I agree, it does seem stupid. The only thing I can think of is that it involved some legal rigamarole to help the police cover their butts.

[Thorne]

Don't these "parents" realize the more these kids get away with when they are 6-7 the more violent they will be in their teens?

Actually, no, they don't. They've been told that children are delicate flowers that will wither and die in the presence of even a mild rebuke. How many times have you heard of a parent getting arrested and charged for giving a misbehaving child a swat on the bottom? Some idiot do-gooder will always be around to call the police, thinking that swat constitutes abuse. I know some parents who are afraid to discipline their kids because of such craziness.

[denuseri]

Temper tantrums were always stopped short in our house by my mother with a swift slap to the face...kinda shocks the bad behavior right out of us as children.

[IAN 2411]

Temper tantrums were always stopped short in our house by my mother with a swift slap to the face...kinda shocks the bad behavior right out of us as children.

I think that would most probably get the teacher locked up...but i remember that my wife gave my daughters the same treatment...they only did it once.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

I think that would most probably get the teacher locked up...

Hence the problem. What kind of response are teachers, or principals, or the police, supposed to have?

[Stealth694]

Got it right Thorne, These kids are such wild cards anyone even thinking of disciplining them is usually looking for a lawsuit.

[Thorne]

Got it right Thorne, These kids are such wild cards anyone even thinking of disciplining them is usually looking for a lawsuit.

I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents. They don't discipline their own kids, and will not allow anyone else to do so. And then they wonder why their "good" kids get into trouble as teenagers.