Tricking your sub into getting something else.

[jiggy]

I have this great trick I have played over the years with different subs...............after having a sub suck my cock, get deep throated etc instead of rewarding them with my cum ....I piss down their throats instead and tell them it was cause i was displeased with their BJ skills ;)

Keeps em coming back for more ;)

[jeanne]

Oh, you're scary (yet that made me oddly hot...hmm, something to think about)

[jiggy]

Well thats why we have subs right to treat em mean to keep em keen ;)

[jeanne]

And I expect you're good at it!

[tessa]

Well thats why we have subs right to treat em mean to keep em keen ;)

That may be why you have a sub, but you need to watch the use of "we" in this instance. Might be quite offensive to some. Just a thought.

And if you are having to "trick" your sub in the getting of anything, you might need to consider what you might be doing wrong. Again, just a thought.

tessa

[Rhabbi]

That may be why you have a sub, but you need to watch the use of "we" in this instance. Might be quite offensive to some. Just a thought.

And if you are having to "trick" your sub in the getting of anything, you might need to consider what you might be doing wrong. Again, just a thought.

tessa


Going with tessa on this one, I never have to trick my subs.

[annie]

Votes with Tessa too. "Tricking" a sub will do nothing more then make a good sub learn to distrust you and every other dominate they meet. The "trick" is where each one has to consider if they are a dominate or an abuser... something to ponder at least.

[Dragon's muse]

Just have to chime in.

Dragon would never stoop to "tricking" me into anything. He knows that he only has to indicate what he wishes. "Tricking" seems a tad juvenile for our dynamic. He does not have to trick me into accepting his urine. It is an honor.

[ceegee{Benz}]

shudders at the thought.
One look from Benz says all. no trickery involved

[moptop]

Perhaps you ensure that you actually choose subs who, if 'tricked' into this, it is something that they would enjoy.

I think a decent 'cum' back would be simply to vomit it straight back on you again, personally.

Just a thought.

[Guest 91108]

Perhaps that's why you have had to use different subs as you have to trick them into what they would not do at your request or demand.

If i have to trick them , then they are not for me.

[~hellish one~]

i don't believe this thread to be productive and until i hear from an admin i am going to lock the thread.

~hellish

[Rabbit1]

well productive or not ----it is an open decussion and no one is flaming ---all things can not be productive ---

[cadence]

Perhaps you ensure that you actually choose subs who, if 'tricked' into this, it is something that they would enjoy.

I think a decent 'cum' back would be simply to vomit it straight back on you again, personally.

Just a thought.



I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Ocean_Soul]

I was thinking the same thing. Only with Chlamydia instead of piss.

[ceegee{Benz}]

*shudders*

[Phantome]

Hey, you know what would be a great way to trick an inconsiderate "dom?" How about after he tricks you and pisses down your throat, instead of rewarding him with a swallow, you bite his dick off and tell him that it's because you are disappointed in his "dom" skills. That'll keep em coming back for more.....
-Phan, disgusted

[tessa]

moptop, I laughed so hard it hurt. Thanks for that!

[diamondcontrol]

Although the OP used the word "trick," he doesn't say that watersports was a hard limit of the sub. If it is within her limits, it's just another mind fuck. If it was a violation of a limit, then I agree with you all that he deserves to have his dick bitten.

[Ocean_Soul]

Hey, you know what would be a great way to trick an inconsiderate "dom?" How about after he tricks you and pisses down your throat, instead of rewarding him with a swallow, you bite his dick off and tell him that it's because you are disappointed in his "dom" skills. That'll keep em coming back for more.....
-Phan, disgusted

LMAO that's golden.

[jeanne]

Gosh, I guess I assume this is a mutually acceptable part of their play - if it is, whatever happened to "your kink isn't my kink, but your kink is okay" or however it goes... :icon277:

[tessa]

jeanne, I think that maybe most are hung up on the concept of "tricking a sub", not the issue of watersports.


"your kink isn't my kink, but your kink is okay" or however it goes...

That's just how it goes. :)

[jeanne]

Oh, I understand that - I guess I'm responding to the "tricking" part too - I take it from the post as "something we do for fun once in a while" rather than "I'm doing something she hates and has never agreed to". God knows I could be wrong - won't be the first time and won't be the last! Once again, I learn assuming really is just a shortcut, isn't it? ;)

[Phantome]

No his_j, I wasn't snarking about the watersports- like you said, a kink is a kink, and everyone's is different. It's the tricking a sub into doing something that rubs me the wrong way. Also, our friend jiggy seems to have a habit of logging on once in a blue moon and leaving inflammatory comments- see the smelly pussies or beastiality threads for examples. Sure, I'm taking the bait, but his past comments lead me to believe that this wouldnt be a SSC or RACK activity, should it be one he actually participates in.......
-Phan

[jeanne]

Ah, I see...that's too bad, I guess it's a drawback to the online community, isn't it? (as opposed to real life) Can't really "freeze" people out just for behaving badly. It certainly explains the really quick escalation of the comments today, which surprised me since I've not seen that much here previously.

[jiggy]

I don't see what i am doing as wrong and certainly don't flame people here for there own thoughts and beliefs. I suppose tricking may be the wrong word...........maybe a semi punishment for a sub not performing to my requirements. Pissing down their throats usually catches them off guard ;) and naturally so they don't spill a drop of piss I force their mouth and throat to take in as much piss as posible without choking them to death of course. :D

I have to admit i do tire of subs quickly so I tend to rotate them around.

Once again just thought i would give you all some enlightening ideas ;)
If you don't like it so be it!

If you think thats bad...............would you like to hear something else I do when they are all tied up and have disappointed me even more?! ;)

[nk_lion]

When I first read your post I was a bit surprised at this 'punishment'. Some subs may like it, but from most people that I've met here aren't to fond of urophagia. So I guess surprising her with that might be pretty offensive in terms of your treatment of your subs.

Plus, you say it's a form of punishment. From the dom/mes that I've met here, they don't dish out punishments spontaneously. And since it takes a great deal of trust for anyone to submit, it would be almost like an immense failiure for sub to be treated without even notification that their master isn't happy or satisfied.

Again, I have never been a dom or sub to anyone, and all I know about treatment is what I've read of other people's posts, so I don't claim to be entirely correct, these are merely educated assumptions.

[tessa]

If you think thats bad...............would you like to hear something else I do when they are all tied up and have disappointed me even more?! ;)

No, jiggy, we probably wouldn't. I am sure it would just cause more negativity. Let's just leave it at you do your thing your way and some of us disagree with your methods. No flaming involved at all...just a major difference of opinion.

tessa

[cream _(DNW)]

jiggy I am with tessa on that one.

[Eponine]

Well it's clear, jiggy, that you are simply trying to get the reactions you've gotten.

I haven't read many of your other posts, but you may or may not engage in anything more than writing your thoughts here on this forum.

But should you actually be seeking a submissive or a slave, I hope that she would be smart enough to see through you. Your "tiring of subs quickly" reflects, to me, classic fear of commitment. I think you are short-changing yourself in the long run, and possibly damaging some women along the way.

And back on the original question's content- I don't think your "trickery" of surprising the sub with urine instead of semen is a bad thing- I would not even term it as a "trick". However, your lying about their displeasing you is the bad part. In fact, that shows a great lack of true mastery ability.

I'm sure every true sub, slave, Dom/me, Master, Mistress knows how powerful the thought of displeasing the one you serve is. To use that deceitfully is terribly immature, unfair, irresponsible, unproductive, and destructive. Just the opposite of what a good D/s relationship should be.

So, Jiggy, whatever it is you do, whether in reality or simply in your mind, I believe you need a new calling.

[Rhabbi]

And back on the original question's content- I don't think your "trickery" of surprising the sub with urine instead of semen is a bad thing- I would not even term it as a "trick". However, your lying about their displeasing you is the bad part. In fact, that shows a great lack of true mastery ability.

I'm sure every true sub, slave, Dom/me, Master, Mistress knows how powerful the thought of displeasing the one you serve is. To use that deceitfully is terribly immature, unfair, irresponsible, unproductive, and destructive. Just the opposite of what a good D/s relationship should be.



I think you just summed up the problem here Eponine, very insightful.

[cadence]

Well it's clear, jiggy, that you are simply trying to get the reactions you've gotten.

I haven't read many of your other posts, but you may or may not engage in anything more than writing your thoughts here on this forum.

But should you actually be seeking a submissive or a slave, I hope that she would be smart enough to see through you. Your "tiring of subs quickly" reflects, to me, classic fear of commitment. I think you are short-changing yourself in the long run, and possibly damaging some women along the way.

And back on the original question's content- I don't think your "trickery" of surprising the sub with urine instead of semen is a bad thing- I would not even term it as a "trick". However, your lying about their displeasing you is the bad part. In fact, that shows a great lack of true mastery ability.

I'm sure every true sub, slave, Dom/me, Master, Mistress knows how powerful the thought of displeasing the one you serve is. To use that deceitfully is terribly immature, unfair, irresponsible, unproductive, and destructive. Just the opposite of what a good D/s relationship should be.

So, Jiggy, whatever it is you do, whether in reality or simply in your mind, I believe you need a new calling.

I agree with Rhabbi, very well put, I had been thinking that the poster was just trying to guage a certain reaction to his post, but at times I have a difficult time trying to relay my message into a simple sentence or paragraph. You have put the whole thing into a proper perspective. And I am glad that you did.

[jiggy]

well if you all ever want to open yourselves to new ideas let me know. To those of you who PM'd me for what I did next..........i have sent you all a PM. :D

Thanks

[tessa]

To those of you who PM'd me for what I did next...i have sent you all a PM. :D

Thanks

That was thoughtful of you, jiggy. My thanks.

tessa

[MajesticFae]

I think if my Dom did that to me, he wouldn't be my Dom anymore.

Unless your sub is into urine play, that would be completely uncalled for. If she's not into urine play, I'd call that abuse, especially if it's a limit for her. If you want to punish her, find a better way to tell her you're not pleased with her blowjobs if that really is the case.

If you do it just to do it and then lie to her, well, you're what we call a "wannabe Dom" around here. It's your job to take care of her and let her know that she can trust you completely, lying to her is a good way to kill that bond you two have.

[caligirl{Rob}]

smiles and nods in agreement......with trust You do not need to "trick"

[Dragon's muse]

I think if my Dom did that to me, he wouldn't be my Dom anymore.

Unless your sub is into urine play, that would be completely uncalled for. If she's not into urine play, I'd call that abuse, especially if it's a limit for her. If you want to punish her, find a better way to tell her you're not pleased with her blowjobs if that really is the case.

If you do it just to do it and then lie to her, well, you're what we call a "wannabe Dom" around here. It's your job to take care of her and let her know that she can trust you completely, lying to her is a good way to kill that bond you two have.


what she said.

[JayTC]

Forgive me, for intruding on this conversation, but.....I shall...trust is something that takes a long time to build, and no time at all to break. In an M/s, D/s relationship there really is NO room to break trust. Or else, what are you left with? Nothing? Nobody to Dominate, and certainly no level of your submissive's commitment, and trust in you. So where is the fun in that? I don't frankly see any.

I never have to trick my slave. Like mostly everyone here has reflected upon, her displeasing me is probably one of the worst feelings she feels. It is not so much the punishment but her knowing that she did something to displease me.

My suggestion, just a suggestion though....go back to square one....if you are trying to "trick" a sub into "believing she gave you a bad blowjob," then you certainly don't have your priorities straight....OR perhaps you are not too good at knowing what type of blowjob you like and can't give a good description of what you want? It's a hard blow to a sub to think she is doing something to please you, and you turn it the other way around. Don't send mixed signals, tell them what you want, how you want it, and that's it! I think I have said enough. Shakes head.....

[jiggy]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt ;)

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

[Rhabbi]

WRONG

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt ;)

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.


WRONG

If I say anything more than this I would lowering myself.

[annie]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt ;)

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

A true sub will realize your "tricks" as actually abuse...

And will question how much of a "true" dom you are...

[MajesticFae]

WRONG



WRONG

If I say anything more than this I would lowering myself.

What he said.

[JayTC]

I refuse to say anymore! To think this is what gives the lifestyle a "bad rap." Shakes head, and walks away.

[~*crimson_flower*~]

A sub gives up such a huge amount of power to his/her Dom, and abusing that by tricking him/her just seems like a violation of the whole thing...What am unsavoury thing to do.

[nk_lion]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt ;)

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.


I think you're interpretation of the whole bdsm lifestyle is way of.

From what I've heard from both dom/mes and subs is that a sub will never be pushed beyond what he or she is comfortable with (discretion lies with the dom/me). Even if that boundry is pushed, it's done carefully and with purpose to reach a new level in satisfaction with sex or whatever else they are trying to achieve. A master's role is not to dish out any type punishment as he sees fit, even if a sub isn't protesting, it is your job to make sure she is alright.

[Can's Peaches]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt ;)

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

I wonder if the subs you choose are new to the lifestyle and don't know any better about how a Dom should treat them. I am some what new to the lifestyle and I am damn glad that I found a Dom that was willing to be patient with me and earn my trust. He does not have to trick me to please him, communication is a very big part of our relationship and it sounds like that is something you are lacking if you have to trick your subs.

[jiggy]

Well my subs come back for more so they know what is good for them :D

I treat my subs well........they are people like anyone else..............

[ThisYouWillDo]

What is flaming?

I am having a hard time believing jiggy in the first place. In the second, that isn't a trick, it's an abuse of trust. It's worse than that: it's a rejection of the tribute the sub is paying. It's degrading her.

And even if she's into degradation (I never met anyone who is) it's a mean spirited person who does the degrading.

TYWD

[Guest 91108]

I agree with Peaches.

And Jiggy.. I've never read someone's words and disbelieved every word they say as much as i do you.

[moptop]

Right on, Wolfie. jiggy, I Do not believe your 'subs' come back for more; I do not believe you are a Dom, or even a dom. Yes, of course, some people are into degradation. Yes, of course it is possible that you find yourself girls - and I'm sure they're girls, not women - who think that being abused, confused and degraded is what subbing is all about. I just hope for them that they find someone else - after you've got 'bored' with them - who actually knows how to help them find happiness and fulfilment in the life.

I do wonder, now - is it that you move on pretty quickly because you get bored, or is it just that you can't keep a sub and you can't admit it to yourself?

[cadence]

jiggy, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but you fail to give anyone a reason to take you seriously.

If you are doing this for shock value, you are doing a great job!

If you are doing this because you believe that this is how a Dom should act, then you should seriously consider what a Dom is.

If you are doing this because this is your thing, and your so called subs are fully aware of your kinks, and expect to recieve a "so called punishment" and do not mind your style or actually enjoy it. Then more power to you.
But if you do not elaborate with better statements or answers than what you are doing now. No one will ever respect nor believe that you are genuine.

[tessa]

I do believe that jiggy is getting just what he wants from all this. ~sighs~

Despite jiggy's intent, it is great to see that our wonderful little community has many intelligent, thoughtful people who truly know what's good and right about Dominance and submission. And that is something to be happy about.

tessa :wave:

[His_pita]

I have to agree with Tessa and her last post. I've returned to this board and I'm happy to see that it is still filled with mindful and thoughtful people who take this lifestyle serious and give it the respect it's due.

There will always be those that like to shock with their behavior. I for one don't believe a word that the OP has posted, and that is not flaming, it is a simple opinion based on common sense. If it is true then someday retribution will occur and god bless the little subbie that gives it.

[Ocean_Soul]

I treat my subs well........they are people like anyone else..............

What happened to "treat em mean to keep em keen"?

[Eponine]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt ;)

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

i wonder why we are all responding to this post.. lol.. i think it's fairly clear, he must be just doing it for the reaction... i highly doubt any of it is really happening... and if it is... imagine what type of women he is getting anyway.. they might be out "subbing" to many other "doms" as well... who could take him seriously?

Obviously, he does not have a good grasp on the English language either- jiggy, dear, in the context of your statement, "A true sub will except..," the correct spelling of that homophone is "accept."

((sorry, mods, is that flaming?? it's just like nails on a chalkboard to me, i had to write something...))

Good luck to you!

[Ocean_Soul]

i wonder why we are all responding to this post.. lol.. i think it's fairly clear, he must be just doing it for the reaction... i highly doubt any of it is really happening... and if it is... imagine what type of women he is getting anyway..

Yeah, all of what you said is probably true. But hey, gives us a chance to post something.

:D

[Eponine]

i just had a thought on this-
maybe jiggy is serious about this act... I think it would be okay if when you tell the sub you are displeased with the bj- it is not meant seriously, it's just like saying she's a "naughty girl" but not really meaning that..

But shocking the sub with an unexpected punishment when they really haven't displeased you is unhealthy- to make the sub feel she has disappointed you when in actuality she hasn't- that's abusive to me.

[jiggy]

I won't engage in flaming. Feel free to believe if you want............if you don't no probs.

An "open minded" Dom and sub gernerally have a closer "bond" and are happy to engage in all activities if the end result is to please - Master ;)

Something to think about and look outside the "box"

Once again thanks for the nice PM's from BM's who have told me to ignore the flamers here.

[pixie_dust]

There is only one thing I would like to comment about here.

If there is any truth whatsoever to what is being posted here, I believe one should consider what type of psychological effects this is having on the girls.

There hasn't been much mentioned other than the unfairness to them. I can't help but wonder what type of relationship they could possibly have with anyone in the future, when they have lost the ability to trust in another person on an intimate level.

Just my two cents.

[tessa]

~huggles for Wolfie for being so thoughtful...and cute, despite what he says~

jiggy, I see no flaming in this thread. I've seen people responding to your posts and the information therein because I'm pretty sure they all believe it is outside the realm of safe, sane and consensual. BDSM is many different things to as many different people, and that's ok. Different kinks for different pervs and all. But in this community, one thing stays constant for 99.99% of us here. And that is that ALL people are to be treated with dignity and respect at ALL times. Look outside that box and you're looking the wrong way.

If anyone on the Mod Squad sees any flaming, rest assured it will be dealt with. So glad to know you aren't going to engage in that particular evil. :)

tessa

[Ocean_Soul]

An "open minded" Dom and sub gernerally have a closer "bond" and are happy to engage in all activities if the end result is to please - Master ;)

So close of a bond in fact that you tend to "tire of subs quickly" and "rotate them around"?

Your messages could very well be genuine jiggy I'm open to that possibility. However if you're wondering why you aren't really taken 100% seriously it's because when confronted with obvious problems instead of working to help anyone understand your relationships you simply add another seemingly pseudo-dom soundbite that really don't make much sense to many of us who are actively involved in the lifestyle.

Maybe many of us are just misunderstanding you. A little clarification would go a long way to correcting that.

[MajesticFae]

I won't engage in flaming. Feel free to believe if you want............if you don't no probs.

An "open minded" Dom and sub gernerally have a closer "bond" and are happy to engage in all activities if the end result is to please - Master ;)

Something to think about and look outside the "box"

Once again thanks for the nice PM's from BM's who have told me to ignore the flamers here.


Most subs have limits and you have to know the limits of that sub. Aren't we technically all openminded since we're into BDSM? By the way you've been talking your idea of open minded seems to be along the lines of TPE (Total Power Exchange) where the sub gives up her safe words and puts her trust completely into the Dom.

Personally, I think the way you play isn't SSC. I think that you're being dishonest with your submissives and possibly abusing them with your "trickery." I can't say for sure because I don't know your submissives, nor do I know you. We subs put a lot of trust into our Doms and if you're going through submissives like a fat kid goes through cake, well, something isn't right there.

And I agree with Tessa, we're not flaming. We're giving our honest opinions and treating you with respect.

[TeddyBearGaySlave]

Well, my former master often lied to me about getting that chastity belt of me. I felt used and slutty afterwards, but he did it in a (for a sub) very satisfying way. Those mind games work great for me. Instead of getting your reward you get another punishment.

Though I see a danger in overusing that and thus making the slave "resistent" to that kind of surprise/disappointment.

[Sir_Russell]

Tricking my morgan would be very dishonorable act by me. How could she respect me or honor me if I am that disreputable. I know her limits and push them to find out if they are real or just wants that frighten her. I expect obedience from her and willingly do her assigned task and even requests of mine. To lie or trick her is beneath me.

[Tasker]

To lie and trick goes against the foundations of everything I have learned in my short time in the lifestyle. I honestly can not see how anyone could retain any sort of trust if treated otherwise.

[hispleasure]

I have this great trick I have played over the years with different subs...............after having a sub suck my cock, get deep throated etc instead of rewarding them with my cum ....I piss down their throats instead and tell them it was cause i was displeased with their BJ skills ;)

Keeps em coming back for more ;)


Jiggy,

You'd piss down my throat ONCE and then I would probably spit it at you. I think that is quite distasteful and offensive (unless your sub KNEW that you were going to do it) and I suspect she didn't as you mention "tricking" her. If it wasn't good enough...why did you cum?

It would completely destroy the trust I have with My Sir. Our relationship is based on communication and understanding of what is acceptible to US. If he ever had to TRICK me, I'd also question his trust in me.

Hispleasure

[hispleasure]

I do believe that jiggy is getting just what he wants from all this. ~sighs~

Despite jiggy's intent, it is great to see that our wonderful little community has many intelligent, thoughtful people who truly know what's good and right about Dominance and submission. And that is something to be happy about.

tessa :wave:


I must agree with tessa, this Jiggy must have come here to get the reactions he indeed has. I've considered what he said in his first post and it absolutely repulses me to think that My Sir would do such a detestful thing to me (the tricking..although the act of pissing down her throught is rather detestful too)

It is amazing to see what an intelligent and intellectual group we are here. Truely we respect and understand the gift of Domination and submission. Indded that is somthing to be happy about!

His pleasure

[moonlight]

A sub should never be "tricked" into anything unless it is okay with them.
Tricking a sub will make the sub unable to trust the Dom and the relationship will not be able to build. Trust is most important.
i have been tricked and misled before and could not bring myself to trust that particular Dom who misled me, so the relationship could never build into something more.

[Seri]

I agree, even if it's an innocent trick, a sub will look for future deceit and possibly find somewhere there was no ill will in the first place. Also, with a sub that may have been hurt from a previous relationship might already be paranoid, and further deceit could ruin a relationship that might have blossomed into a glorious thing.

[ashtonDs]

I know this in in the archive but I just had a rather interesting thought.

there is a dom who says that at the end of a blowjob he pees in the subs mouth instead of cumming.

If I am remembering my biology right that is impossible.

1) Human reproductive systems want to do only one thing...reproduce.

2) When sexual stimulation is being given the waste disposal system is shut down. Our biology does not want sperm contaminated with piss.

3) If he is getting a bj, his urinary equipment is temporarily shut down to allow the delivery of clean sperm.

So,

Changing right at the last second is not possible. In fact when oral stimulation gave him an erection, his urinary system is already on standby...

Therefore

His OP is a work of fiction.

[hotbod]

I think ashton is wrong it is possible to piss with a hard on. The Op never said that he came. he said he tricked the sub into thinking he was going to to cum.

Read the original OP properly