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Urinals made as an open women's mouth: art or offence or just a joke?
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Urinals made as an open women's mouth: art or offence or just a joke?
It's a joke... artsy designer stuff. Taking that any more seriously and giving it underline meaning is, imo, stretching it far to much for it's actual importance.
I think artsy...it made me laugh to see the pic...If I was a guy I might feel awkard peeing in it though.
As with anything designed by someone...it's whatever the viewer interprets it to be.
To me it's humorous and harmless, to another it might be offensive.
Yes that's what I thought..not being into wet sports myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mistresscj
But.. I still felt a bit odd about it, because it is not just in one place but apparently in quite many. All main stream. Perhpas that is why it drew reactions.
The hoopla made by people against it to me seems all too typical of what I find wrong about the entire feminest movment truth be told.
It's a lot funnier to imagine the mouth isn't that of a woman... but of a lipstick wearing male submissive... after all, there are no facial features, and it is just a mouth with bright red lips. Maybe the problem isnt the urinal, but the assumption that if there is a "passive victim" it must be a female?? Maybe they should just lay those fuzzy toilet tank covers on the upper lip of half of them so they look like moustaches.......and maybe whoever is offended should spend their time helping actual humans that are being actually victimized...but that might be more difficult than fussing over where other people pee, and they may not get "results" that they can pat their own backs over. On the other hand, anyone that is freaking out over urinals is too busy tilting at windmills to bother with me, so maybe it's worth having nonsense in the world for that type of person to get excited over... it keeps them from looking to closely at me. ROFL
What about the possibility that the designer/manufacturer is just trying to make a statement about the Rolling Stones?
Not allowed to complain about that if you didn't previously complain about this. See the smirks.
"The Woman Abuse Working Group, a coalition of 24 organizations, disagreed and led efforts to oust what it considered to be an offensive water closet."
What were they doing in the Men's room? Trying to be offended by men again?
Wow! I hadn't seen that :dQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozme52
For the record, taking up a topic is not complaining, just asking people's opion of it.
I guess some man tipped them off ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by MMI
But you are right, only the men would see it (one must assume) and so it is in fact more interestig what the men think of this.
What do you think?
At least people here have things to say about this, so I guess it was worth posting :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by tangledNlanguid
Actually, way I see it it would the men's reactions that is probably most interesting, they are the ones who are using the urinals.
Hm I cannot understand such a sweeping statement, as there is no such thing as a homogenous feminist movement. It is a grass root movement with many groups, many countries and many cultures representated, and they probably have a truckload of issues they can not agree upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by denuseri
Thats becuase they are always going about it the wrong way sugar.
At least in so far as when freaking out over things like art that may or may not be objectifing women.
Just for the record, ;), my comment was addressed to the generic "you". I should've said "if they didn't complain about the first, they don't get to complain about the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by thir
I hadn't thought of that, my association was immediately with that sofa Andy Warhol designed like a pair of red lips.Quote:
Originally Posted by TantricSoul
I guess the immediate difference is, this is implicitly designed to be used (a) only by men and (b) in a way that's a lot more unkind than sitting on it.
First thing I thought of was the Lips from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Which I never did figure out...were they the maid magneta's or did they belong to Tim Curry? I wonder which lips the artist was thinking of...could it be Tim Curry's? Maby the feminists arent the ones who should have their panties in a wad...maby the G&L community should be angry or perhaps ole Tim himself.
Or about me! Step right up! See if you can hit the uvula!Quote:
Originally Posted by TantricSoul
Thank you for showing that it is a whole fad, I had no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozme52
I would still like to know if you have ever met with any of these urinals, and if it were a problem, or brightened your day, or just didn't really register?
But how would you feel about using these urinals? (See link 'more' in ozme's mail as well.)Quote:
Originally Posted by leo9
Will no male comment on this?????
By the weid and wonderful ways of the net, half of these links landed me on websites concerning foot-ball..However, the 'more' one worked fine and I guess I have the most of it on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozme52
The nuns ones looked sort of peaceful..
The mouth ones still offends me.
The ones that looked like being fucked from behind were very very sexy!
But the same motif with the sink was silly, as you can hardly reach the sink to wash your hands.
The spread and raised legs also sexy!
The one where you sit on a toilet shaped as as woman left me indifferent.
Not much logic in that..
I showed the pics to a male friend, and asked him what he thought.
After a moment he said: If you gotta go, you gotta go, and it doesn't matter what the urianal looks like.
Sensible guy.
But he also thought that some might have trouble zipping up their fly afterwards..hm? Impractical, that.
Tee hee.Quote:
Originally Posted by thir
That hadn't occurred to me...till now.
OK, I understand your point now.Quote:
Originally Posted by denuseri
Yes, in the Western world it is a joke - some of it even sexy ;-)
But had the pictures been from places around the world where women really are objects (cannot choose partner or sex partner, killed if dowry not paid, stoned to death if having a lover, cannot own things, gassed if you try to go to school and so on and on) such images would make me puke.
http://www.oo.com.au/Vice_Versa_Vood...29751C1838.cfm
What about this one?
My aunt owns this. Said someone bought it for her and her husband to deal with arguments in the kitchen... I thought it was silly, albeit cute, but not offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by thir
I'm not particularly offended by any of the urinals either, though.
Neither art nor offensive.
Well, if it were in a church or airport, that would be stupid. But in a bar or club, it's meant to be outlandish.
I am, for the most part, pretty accepting of most things, so I personally don't find this offensive.
My guess would be that enough men found it offensive that their complaints started the ruckus. My guess would be I might find it offensive if I were a man in that if I've gotta go, I have to go in one of those, or leave the building to try to find another one. Because pissing is a necessity, and there you are messing with it, taking away the men's control about it. Piss in the woman's mouth or...find a dark alley? Maybe that's what made them so upset.
I'm far more curious about what the mindset of this company was when they made these. "Guys, let's design this and see if anybody will buy it. *snicker*" I highly doubt their thought was "Well we all know women should be lesser than men, so let's make one of our urinals state that."
I was offended by the airline that considered installing them. My guess is (I would hope) that they were putting them in a bar area, but that is too public of a place, to me. Vanillas have a right to their idea of peace of mind, as do the rest of us, in very public places. In places where all kinds of people from all kinds of religions, races, and ethnicities come through, I think effort to make everything "blah" is necessary.
Also the bathroom with the photos of women watching while men piss was hysterical to me.
So far...the only thing I've found offensive are the plastic (or sometimes metal) scrotums that you can hang from the back bumper of vehicles.
I just don't think it's appropriate in any way, shape or form for a fake scrotum to be dangling out in the open where children can see it as someone drives down the road.
It makes me wonder how people would feel if someone invented fake vaginas for the backs of vehicles.
I think I'm more PC than average, but if I'd come upon this unexpectedly I'd probably have thought "Oh, that's stupid." It's too far away from anything real for me to find it offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennifer Williams
I think both this and the "nuns" were probably just visual free-association with the shapes of functional urinals. You did see that this was designed by a woman?Quote:
I'm far more curious about what the mindset of this company was when they made these. "Guys, let's design this and see if anybody will buy it. *snicker*"
That is a good point. I can imagine prudes of many religions being offended by it.Quote:
I was offended by the airline that considered installing them. My guess is (I would hope) that they were putting them in a bar area, but that is too public of a place, to me. Vanillas have a right to their idea of peace of mind, as do the rest of us, in very public places. In places where all kinds of people from all kinds of religions, races, and ethnicities come through, I think effort to make everything "blah" is necessary.
Me too. You did catch that they were all supposed to look awed or admiring at what they were seeing? A little wish-fulfilment fantasy to entertain the users...Quote:
Also the bathroom with the photos of women watching while men piss was hysterical to me.
None of these... but I have been to an Inn in California where the women's room was outfitted like a Victorian bordello and the men's room was a jungle... and one urinated into the waterfall.Quote:
Originally Posted by thir
The Ramada Inn I believe it was called, before the chain, in S.L.O. With themed rooms no less.
Gotta love generalizations, huh? They're making life so freakin' simple....Quote:
Originally Posted by denuseri
Why yes they do...especially when used in responce to other peoples generalizations.
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Originally Posted by lucy
roflQuote:
Originally Posted by denuseri
I would use it, and be mildy amused while doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by thir
I'm not into watersports, or even into that kind of humiliation ... not that anyone can humiliate porcelain objects at all. Now if women were brought in to act as urinals, maybe there would be grounds for objecting, but an image of a mouth (a man's? a woman's?) is nothing more than a cue to the imagination.
What I imagine is my own business.
It's like saying that a man who masturbates over a photograph is abusing the woman in the picture, or even over a hentai cartoon.
In my view, people do need to be considerate of other people's sensitivities, but imposing political correctness is a form of fascism. PC is a standard weapon in the armoury of militant femininsm, and I see it at work here. No woman has been harmed in the production of the urinals, or in their use. They are kept out of sight of women (with the possible exception of cleaners). Really, where's the problem?
This is just another excuse to make a fuss about nothing at all.
As I remember, some of them at least were made by a female Dutch artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennifer Williams
If by hysterical you mean funny, I reacted that way too! Maybe we are just women chauvinists ;-)
However, the knife block made out of a male body spooked me. Seemed very hostile.
That brings back memories. I was there on my 21st birthday. The whole evening had been bar hopping. I hadn't had much experience with alcohol previously, so I had decided to try a different drink at each one to see which I liked the best (not surprising, I didn't remember... or care by the next morning).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozme52
The waterfall urinal was well known, but frankly, I don't really remember it. I do remember they had a waterfall in the lobby as well and when I started over to it, my friends intercepted me and led me to the men's room with the admonition "Oh, no you don't! Wrong waterfall."
LMAO @ "wrong waterfall".
Now there is a point I missed, teeth are always a subliminal fear!Quote:
Originally Posted by mistresscj