Warning to authors: Before you submit

[Chuckdom19]

Just wanted all authors to know that policy has changed with the new owner.

Should you wish to withdraw a story from the site for any reason, once submitted, YOU WILL BE REFUSED. The site claims that then rights are owned by the site, according to Rabbit1.

Thought you might want to know.

[Mad Lews]

Hi Nightowl,
I do hope this is a misunderstanding and not an actual policy change. Thank yee for the heads up and we await clarification from the upper echelons, (Say it ain't so briar Rabbit1 et al).
The somewhat nervous
Mad Lews

[Ranai]

Hello Tiger, I would like to read what you have to say on the author’s copyright and story removal theme.

I assume this was merely a misunderstanding.


(Should any such policy change indeed occur in the future – which I personally would consider very ill-advised – , as I understand the matter, such a non-cancellable license agreement could only be valid for stories submitted after these license terms would have been expressly posted and agreed to by each author in the story submission process; but certainly not retroactively for stories posted in the past, without any such agreement.)

[lex ludite]

Now let me get this straight, Tiger claims that the site owns the rights to my stories that have been submitted in the past? Tiger also claims that as site Adminstrator or owner, his status has not ever been specifically defined to my satisfaction, he can remove stories from "his" site that he considers objectionable. What happens to these stories that are now no longer on "his" site? Can he turn around and sell them to another site? Depending upon the answers to these questions, there can be some very serious consequences to authors, such as myself. I know for a fact that one author who posted on this site had Jinn remove all his stuff just before the change-over to new "ownership", and there was no problem in having his request honored.

[Rabbit1]

Seems to be quite a misunderstanding---what I said was in return for publishing your stories for free---note the word free----that the site retains the right to desplay them---not own them or sell them ---but desplay them---If you think about it---it is a fair trade---you of course with your ownership of the stories are free to post them else where or sell them as you please ---the Site or Tiger make no such claim to the stories you submitt-

It is not easy to ---I go thru the expense to provide software and a site to publish your stories for free on---and asking only in return that right to after having published them for you --the right to display them.---

So before you get your feathers Ruffled ---I did submit the request to Tiger- via email ---the same way it was submitted to me---and I do not know if Tiger has answered this request or not----and I am awaiting farther clairification from Tiger on this matter----but hey he has a family and a personal life and a business also---so be patient ---

[woodsman'sgame]

Hmm.

Rabbit1, I am a published author in intellectual material that is not BDSM related. The last time I looked, the publisher paid ME for publishing my work not vice versa. I suppose if my work was CRAP I would need to pay someone to publish it, but since it is GOOD, I get paid by the publisher. You need to rethink your policy of keeping the right to retain the author's work on your site or you will soon loose any decent author that you have submitting his/her work and consequently loose viewers and advertisers.

Woodsman's game

[Mad Lews]

Seems to be quite a misunderstanding---what I said was in return for publishing your stories for free---note the word free----that the site retains the right to desplay them---not own them or sell them ---but desplay them---If you think about it---it is a fair trade---you of course with your ownership of the stories are free to post them else where or sell them as you please ---the Site or Tiger make no such claim to the stories you submitt-

Dear Furry1,

As I see it this really should be a mutually beneficial exchange. You (or Tiger) run a site, it generates revenue (perhaps not enough for your taste but still it is not nonprofit) based on advertising to viewers. Those viewers are there to read stories. The people who produce those stories retain copyright, which means they might at some point decide to sell their stories commercially . This is not possible if the stories are being displayed for free on the net, Ask any commercial publisher.
We are talking about a relatively rare occurrence here, one the administration of the site should applaud and encourage so published writers will not hesitate to post on the site. The quality of the stories (your product) will only improve.
Writers post their creations on your site for readership and for feedback. They receive no commercial benefit other than a little publicity. If they no longer want a story (their property) shown on this site it would certainly be gracious to honor their wishes. It might also be wise for the future of the site.
Just the ramblings of

Mad Lews

[Masters_lilone]

ok people i read this thread and all i'm gonna say is this tiger and rabbit are putting alot of work in to running this site the last thing they need to deal with is being acussed of stuff that isn't even true. if ya don't want your stories on the site then don't put them on the site

[Ruby]

That Tiger and Rabbit1 are busy working hard to run this site is not what this thread is about. It began as warning, that turned into a complaint because more than one author requested their stories to be removed and were frustrated by the answers they received.

Since then, Rabbit1 has done much better at communicating the status of what is and isn't happening.

if ya don't want your stories on the site then don't put them on the site

I'm quite sure that many authors will take your advice.

Meanwhile, these are the current requests that I hope are in process of being handled:

* Site owners or administrators, please refer authors to the policy for posting to this site and where it exists.

* If you don't have a policy, then please create one.

* If authors want to have their stories taken down, please honor their requests.

Note: This last request should be honored for all authors who have posted their stories before the new site ownership change, who request to have their stories removed as those requests were honored in the past.

[Rabbit1]

I do not know why we keep posting to this thread---the authors complaints have been noted---they have been given instructions on what to do if they wish their stories removed.

So I see new posts to this thread as counter productive--It will accomplish nothing--if you wish to contact Tiger---Email him with a constructive complaint---do not start name calling or it will just be ignored---otherwise continued posting to this thread by the same posters who have already made their point of view known in this thread will change nothing. There is nothing I can do until Tiger makes a decision, posting for me to see what I have already seen is wasting your time. If you think posts will sway Tiger's decision one way or the other just look at those who opposed the removal of underage stories---All of those posts made no difference---It may have made the poster feel better getting to voice their opinion, I have already stated that because of this post and the way it was worded, Past the orginal authors request to me ---that I helped get resolved ---I would no longer involve myself in this issue. Had these concerns been sent to me in the proper fashion via email or PM I would have addressed each and every concern. but the orginal poster chose to make a circus out of a concern and I chose not to participate in it.

I hope in the future if a member has a concern or an issue they will send it to me to help them on, but if they chose this route to handle their problems then they are on their own.

the members of this forum owe me nothing just like I owe them nothing--I do this for free because I like to do it. And if you treat me with some respect I will treat you the same way.

I hope the other Mods will not post to this thread as it is the last time I am going to post to it---

If any member has a concern or issue other than the one in this thread please feel free to contact me---anyone who has will tell you I answer promply---But as far as I am concerned this is a dead issue until the Tiger makes his decision known---I have urged him to do so on the story page under webmasters special notes---where the previous webmaster made his notes about Publishing stories on this site

Rabbit1

[Master Jack's pet]

rabbit1, posting a warning to authors that they are not retaining the rights to their stories is hardly making a circus out of anything. Your comment is demeaning and insulting to both the original poster as well as subsequent ones.

And as far as comments not changing anything, including yours or Tiger's minds, that too is absurd. If you do not feel that this site needs to be responsive to the concerns of the authors and/or readers, then you should not be running this site as it is designed for both. Or have you simply overlooked that point?

I understand adhering to the law, but this has little to do with legal ethics (except for copyright law as Ruby has already pointed out) and all to do with the morality of ignoring authors' requests, particularly without policy and simply on a whim.

[Master Jack's pet]

I noticed that Fox's stories are still here despite his request to have them removed.

So the warning to authors is justified as is Ruby's request that a policy be written and displayed.

This is a very sad state of affairs.

[Tiger]

I'm not claiming to own the rights to the story or stories you have posted.

This is not a free hosting site. This is a story site that publishs authors stories. If you submit a story here you are granting us the right to publish the story. You still own the copyright and all other rights but you are granting us a non-exclusive right to publish the story. That is how it is done on every major story site on the Internet. Which means we have no obligation to delete stories once they have been posted.

I will make sure that this is posted clearly in a public are for all to see so there is no further confusion. I'm working on a FAQ for the site that will include all of the information in a clear and detailed manner. It is one of the many things I'm trying to get done as quickly as possible.

I'm sorry for the delay in responding to message board threads but as many of you know I have been hard at work trying to get the site working 100% and trying to make improvements also.

[Ranai]

Hi Tiger, I have a follow-up question. Could you please clarify:

Authors who have submitted stories prior to this announcement did so knowing that in case they asked for the removal of a story, it would be removed. As has been stated above, this has not happened a lot of times, but sometimes it has.

Stated above is a new policy.

Authors who posted stories prior to this announcement did not agree to any such policy in the submission process.

How are you planning to proceed with removal requests concerning stories posted before today?

[Rabbit1]

Hi Tiger, I have a follow-up question. Could you please clarify:

Authors who have submitted stories prior to this announcement did so knowing that in case they asked for the removal of a story, it would be removed. As has been stated above, this has not happened a lot of times, but sometimes it has.

Stated above is a new policy.

Authors who posted stories prior to this announcement did not agree to any such policy in the submission process.

How are you planning to proceed with removal requests concerning stories posted before today?

How did authors know this ?---I have not seen it posted anywhere where a story would be removed upon request ---I am just curious how authors knew this.

[Ranai]

When via someone's review list or BDSM shelf you click on the title of a story that has been removed by the author's request, you see the notice 'The story does not exist'. You may have come across this notice a number of times following other reviewers' and readers' recommendations.

[Rabbit1]

When via someone's review list or BDSM shelf you click on the title of a story that has been removed by the author's request, you see the notice 'This story does not exist'. You may have come across this notice a number of times following other reviewers' and readers' recommendations.

I have seen the story does not exist a few times since I have been removing stories of under 13 year old subjects---but I have not run across removed by authors request notice---but still just because someone does this for a special reason or two does that then make it a blanket policy? and I am sure I am not the only one who has not seen the removed by authors request notice---I do notice that not all authors who have their stories published are active in the forum---could you perhaps post a url to one of those removed by authors request notices---please ---I am not trying to be a smart ass I am just trying to get information that I do not know.

I do know I went to bat for one author and got his stories removed but that did not make it a blanket policy. And I am not sure that the previous owner meant for it to be a blanket policy either.

[Master Jack's pet]

certainly if you read Fox's first post to this thread, he said that in the past when he requested a story removed it was done so promptly.

[Rabbit1]

That still does not mean it was a blanket policy---I remove the stories of one author by his request ---but that does not mean it was or is the policy of the board to do so for any and all authors. Now you have your answer from Tiger like you wanted---maybe not the answer you wanted ---so now authors know the policy of the site-

[Couture]

Rabbit, BDSM Library has always pulled stories at author request. When BDSM library was started, ANYONE was allowed to post a story....whether they wrote it or NOT. This means there's a whole mass of stories published here illegally. Even now, how do you know that the person submitting the story is the actual owner. Any signed papers?

The writer still owns copyright to these stories. You claim right to publish for eternity after the fact with no compensation to the writer. This is not going to hold up. You claim that other story sites use this policy. Not so. Literotica will pull any story as requested by the author. The only stories they hold rights to are book stories and contest stories. In both cases the writer is compensated monetarily for their stories.

My stories have been stolen from the web and posted here illegally. Unless you have proof of copyright, I ask that you remove any stories authored by Couture from this website. I will be sending a note to the owner to that effect.

[Rabbit1]

Rabbit, BDSM Library has always pulled stories at author request. When BDSM library was started, ANYONE was allowed to post a story....whether they wrote it or NOT. This means there's a whole mass of stories published here illegally. Even now, how do you know that the person submitting the story is the actual owner. Any signed papers?

The writer still owns copyright to these stories. You claim right to publish for eternity after the fact with no compensation to the writer. This is not going to hold up. You claim that other story sites use this policy. Not so. Literotica will pull any story as requested by the author. The only stories they hold rights to are book stories and contest stories. In both cases the writer is compensated monetarily for their stories.

My stories have been stolen from the web and posted here illegally. Unless you have proof of copyright, I ask that you remove any stories authored by Couture from this website. I will be sending a note to the owner to that effect.

if you read this post you know the procedure for requesting a story being remove --and it is not with me---I follow the owners policies---I volunteer my time here to publish stories and help run the forum--- so addressing me in this issue is not going to get you anywhere---I am not a messenger ---the owners contact information is posted

I suggest you read literotica's posted policy in their FAQ I posted it above.

[wendya]

Couture. I have only posted a few times in this forum. But i must tip my hat to you!!! Kudos for standing up for a wrong.. You can fight city hall!!!!!

[Rabbit1]

ok this is getting out of hand ---Authors and members know how to contact Tiger ---he has posted his policy----now before things get any more out of hand and the flaming starts I am closing this thread ---any more comment on this should be directed to Tiger via email