poll for deleting snuff stories

[hairdresser]

Hello,
I would like to say that the snuff category in stories should be removed... It hurts me a lot, and I don't understand why it is permitted to speak about that stuff on this site... It is going too far...
Regards
Hairdresser

[g42]

While I don't read the stories myself and don't appreciate them, there's no reason why they shouldn't be posted.

Someone who visits a BSDM (which is outside mainstrem sexuality) forum is, in my opinion, not one to be censoring others ebcause their judgemental. it's pure hypocracy. I can't stand hypocrasy.

because I love pieces of other poeple's thoughts, I'll pull out some quotes from my quotes file:

Chomksy says:
"If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all"

Martha Grahm:
"Censorship is the height of vanity."

Samuel Johnson:
"I would rather be attacked than unnoticed. For the worst thing you can do to an author is to be silent as to his works."

"Thunder":
"If there's one thing you learn in BDSM, it's to be open minded. There's no such thing as weird - there's only spaces you don't appreciate."

What it comes down to is that there has been a lot of effort put into adding story codes to each story so that if you have a problem with snuff you can avoid it altogether.

Please don't allow your prejudices to influence the harmless passtimes of others. It's not your place or mine.

[GaryWilcox]

The idea of "snuff" comes from pornographic films, and the tittilation in it is that the actress is (supposedly) murdered in the making of the movie.

I have never seen such a movie; I wouldn't want to. The Movie 8MM disturbed me enough.

But these are just stories. The snuff contained in these stories is on par with watching a Friday the 13th movie, or one of the Halloween movies, where the killer murders sexually active young teens.

The only thing I can see a reason for me to boycott reading a story is autobiographical accounts by actual serial killers, like the disgusting shit that the woman who married Danny Rollings peddles. It isn't right to let them profit by the real sufferings of others. In fact, there's a law against it.

But, in order for me to have free speech, they have a right to post it. All I can resommend to you is, look for the story codes and ignore anything with Snuff on it.

[fetish101]

The only thing I can see a reason for me to boycott reading a story is autobiographical accounts by actual serial killers, like the disgusting shit that the woman who married Danny Rollings peddles. It isn't right to let them profit by the real sufferings of others. In fact, there's a law against it.

I was just reading through this thread again, and I think that law pertains to the actual criminals. There is no such law pertaining to an independent (even if she did marry him) to write a book and sell it. She did not commit the crimes.

[GaryWilcox]

I was just reading through this thread again, and I think that law pertains to the actual criminals. There is no such law pertaining to an independent (even if she did marry him) to write a book and sell it. She did not commit the crimes.

She wrote a second book, after they lost in court on that book, on her own. So I guess she discovered the same law-skirting idea you mentioned and made US$10.50 for herself.

As I've said before, I've met her. If ever there was a human being deserving of death from a stray frozen block of urine falling from a commercial jet airliner, it is that horrible, goulish little woman.

That's what it is to be free. You have to take the obscene with pure, and manners aren't realy required. Good thing community standards don't behave that way. If I knew then what I know now, I would have refused any part in her work.

[mickydoughty]

I am not a big fan of the snuff theme in stories, I do think that we can not censore it from the site. This site is open to a huge variety of tastes, if you look at the themes of the stories.

I think Voltaire (1759) was right when he said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

So if some one is willing to say it, then someone will be willing to listen, and BDSM is all about defending the right to say and do, so long as there is no harm, to that individual or others.

[mkemse]

Yes there is Freedom of speech, however shouting "Fire" in a movie theatre as example is not covered bythat protection, if you did that you would be arrested there has to be aline drawn somewhere, I even have issues with stories dealing with females 14-17, but the adm says it ok, i realizethe Supreme Court ruled that stories depecting minors is allowed because unlike a movie it is writtenand can be closed at anytime, buti find it intersting, you have to be 18 to use this site but can write a rape, blackmail story about a 14yr and it is acceptable
Like going back to the 60's, if you were 18 you were eligible to go to Viet Nam, fight and possible die, yet you wrere not allowed to vote and express your feelings about the war legaly, go figure

[Rabbit1]

Yes there is Freedom of speech, however shouting "Fire" in a movie theatre as example is not covered bythat protection, if you did that you would be arrested there has to be aline drawn somewhere, I even have issues with stories dealing with females 14-17, but the adm says it ok, i realizethe Supreme Court ruled that stories depecting minors is allowed because unlike a movie it is writtenand can be closed at anytime, buti find it intersting, you have to be 18 to use this site but can write a rape, blackmail story about a 14yr and it is acceptable
Like going back to the 60's, if you were 18 you were eligible to go to Viet Nam, fight and possible die, yet you wrere not allowed to vote and express your feelings about the war legaly, go figure

when in the 60s were you not allowed to vote when you were 18---and when were you not allowed to express your feeling about the war ---which country are we talking about here---as when I came back from Vietnam there were protesters all over the place ---even in front of the white house.
so I know you are not talking about this country. Many 18 year olds chose not to vote just as they do now --- Just curious if I missed something---

[Aesop]

Yes there is Freedom of speech, however shouting "Fire" in a movie theatre as example is not covered bythat protection, if you did that you would be arrested there has to be aline drawn somewhere, I even have issues with stories dealing with females 14-17, but the adm says it ok, i realizethe Supreme Court ruled that stories depecting minors is allowed because unlike a movie it is writtenand can be closed at anytime, buti find it intersting, you have to be 18 to use this site but can write a rape, blackmail story about a 14yr and it is acceptable
Like going back to the 60's, if you were 18 you were eligible to go to Viet Nam, fight and possible die, yet you wrere not allowed to vote and express your feelings about the war legaly, go figure

The difference between shouting fire in a movie theater and snuff stories on this site is obvious. Nobody is intruding into your life and making you read the story as they are when they shout fire. With the disclaimers and story codes listed the reader knows what he or she is getting.

As far as the 18 or over thing goes-18 year olds can sell and serve liquor but they can't drink it. They can still fight in the wars, but they can't gamble and besides, the 18 and older rule is there partially because the government feels that 18 year olds are wise enough and mature enough to know the difference between fact and fiction.

[Mokujin]

I personally would like them removed from the site, because I honestly can't see how killing women can seem erotic. And it seems a little extreme to me even in BDSM terms.


However, I guess that would be pretty unfair to those who do enjoy them.

So I just avoid them all together. There's plenty of great stories other than the snuff stories on this site.

[Mrlover]

I personally would like them removed from the site, because I honestly can't see how killing women can seem erotic. And it seems a little extreme to me even in BDSM terms.

I agree i think its disgusting and can be no justification for it. People who "get off" on killing have some very serious issues

[submissivewife]

I agree i think its disgusting and can be no justification for it. People who "get off" on killing have some very serious issues

I agree! Killing is not a sexual act.

[H Dean]

Those who do not like the snuff category could choose to show their feelings by no longer coming to this site for their erotic pleasures. That makes it simple.

Incidentally, should there be a future refusal to allow any genre of story on this site it does not constitute true censorship as it does not prevent the publication or creation of said works.

[ghostsblood]

Who has the right to decide what people are and are not allowed find exciting?

Im sure Sadism and Masochism are oft discussed with as much disdain in other communities, as snuff has been on this thread.

This site has the rare honor of hosting some of the most intense short stories ever written, it should be reciognised and aknowledged.. not subverted to mediocrity by the moral stance of members who avoid them anyway.

[g42]

The thing is that there are a lot of people who would say they have a hard time figuring out how hurting another person or being hurt could be erotic.

What you have to do, ultimately, is remember that because you don't feel it doesn't mean no one does and doesn't mean it's necissarily wrong.

[ErikavonKZ]

I just wish to express my admiration for Gwen's replies here.

[g42]

hehe Thanks.

[VLMarquette]

Snuff?

Come now good people. I am going to assume by being here, that you all know how to read. And if you know how to read, then the bright red word 'snuff' that is in the story code's should be enough to warn you off. You don't want to read anything with snuff in it, then avoid those that have it in the codes. But do not, assume that you have the right to pick and choose what is appropriate for the rest of us.

I happen to write vampire novel's for this site, and in them, there is of course going to be snuff, I mean what blood sucking night walking story is complete without one or two death's? And if you don't want to read them, that won't hurt me. I happen to believe in freedom of speech and expression. Most assuredly in this type forum.

So if you don't want to read any snuff works, then just check out the code's and skip them.


V. L. Marquette.

[Robin Lane]

Snuff?

Come now good people. I am going to assume by being here, that you all know how to read. And if you know how to read, then the bright red word 'snuff' that is in the story code's should be enough to warn you off. You don't want to read anything with snuff in it, then avoid those that have it in the codes. But do not, assume that you have the right to pick and choose what is appropriate for the rest of us.

I happen to write vampire novel's for this site, and in them, there is of course going to be snuff, I mean what blood sucking night walking story is complete without one or two death's? And if you don't want to read them, that won't hurt me. I happen to believe in freedom of speech and expression. Most assuredly in this type forum.

So if you don't want to read any snuff works, then just check out the code's and skip them.


V. L. Marquette.

ABSOLUTELY! That's how it's done! Funny how that seems to escape so many otherwise intelligent, reasonable human beings who believe in freedom.

Robin

[alura]

I also agree. It's like the people that are suing Mcdonald's for being fat. Puleese, if you don't want to be fat, don't go there. If you don't like snuff, don't read it.

ABSOLUTELY! That's how it's done! Funny how that seems to escape so many otherwise intelligent, reasonable human beings who believe in freedom.

Robin

[Winnie]

I agree that we readers are not entitled to say what may or may not be posted here. What I do ask of the authors is to please ensure that the story codes are ALL there. Some times I am sure that the content is not exactly as advertised, but I think that most snuff ones are there.
If it is not "off topic", can we also have one (story code that is) for long narrative passages about the particulars of any guns that the characters obtain. At the moment a couple of stories in S-O-L read like an endorsement for your , I think, N.R.A.
Fine if you want to put them in the story, but please tell me so I can avoid the things. I have as yet to read a story whereby the auther give about a page extolling the virues a one particular engine over another in the same motor car.
Regards, Winnie.

[agp_millie]

Apart from the varying Laws of different countries and imaterial of what is written, so long, quite rightly, that we know in advance of what we are reading or going to the cinema to see etc., etc.
This side of the planet seems to become unbearably Politically Correct. (Quick fingers down throat) Even I as a very 'all woman' mom with 3 babes, my eldest goes to jnr. school, felt guilty talking to another mom's kid outside our school the other day, because the mom came flying up and dragged her daughter away, telling her off for talking to strangers! My 6yr. old son was wanting to invite her to his b/day party. Gawd knows what it's like for guys.

A famous quote by someone.
'Rules are for the obeyance of fools and the guidence of the wise.'
So very true in everything we do.

Official declaration. (smile)
ps. the attached story is for Adult reading only and NOT for those easily offended or feel strongly opposed to snuff stories.
pps. Is quite erotic to me, tho' (blush) In FANTASY.

xxx

[ErikavonKZ]

OK, so how about paedophilia (or pedophilia)?

[VLMarquette]

Snuff is one thing, but pedophile, is a whole different ball of wax. I list it right up there with scatology, which is gross, and wrong. Incest, I deal with in the books I write all the time, once again, dealing with vampire's it sort of comes with the territory, much like snuff. But children and sex, no, just not for me. Now, I am not condoning censorship here, but once again, that is why we have story code's. If one of the character's in the story is under say 13, that is pedophile, and should be listed as such. That way those of us who do not want to deal with that kind of material just skip right over it.


V. L. Marquette. (Ronnie)

[Tiger]

Ok, so here comes the issue of pedophile. Strictly speaking, stories containing any character under 18 is pedophile. But as stories or fantasies, teenage sex may not be offensive to many readers. So here the line is a bit blurred. Normally, we draw the line at 12-year-old in case of fictions. The story codes is one way to tell readers what's going on in a story. So if anyone see any story contains character(s) 12 or younger and it doesn't have the code "Pedophilia", please be sure to let me know and indicate where it is in the story. Thank you very much!

Jinn

[xsnaggle]

Ok, so here comes the issue of pedophile. Strictly speaking, stories containing any character under 18 is pedophile. But as stories or fantasies, teenage sex may not be offensive to many readers. So here the line is a bit blurred. Normally, we draw the line at 12-year-old in case of fictions. The story codes is one way to tell readers what's going on in a story. So if anyone see any story contains character(s) 12 or younger and it doesn't have the code "Pedophilia", please be sure to let me know and indicate where it is in the story. Thank you very much!

Jinn

I don't agree with your basic statement. Under 18 may be guaged as paedophilia whre you live but in UK the legal age of consent is 16. In holland it is 14, as it is in Denmark. In Japan there is no age of consent at all. In 1904 in England, where people talk of returning to victorian values (Actually this was edwardian) the age od consent was 12! I have knowb 12 year old girls who were far more sexually aware than their mothers. so is Paedophilia in the letter of the law or the mind of the person who thinks of it???

[S_Couture]

Marquette, I wouldn't classify a vampire story as snuff. Lots of people get killed in Stephen King or Anne Rice books, but they are not snuff.

Snuff is killing someone for sexual titillation. I don't like it and while I'm against censorship; I would like to see some more kinder gentler stories posted. It's a drag seeing new stories posted, but then finding out they are about cannibals and other things that make me want to vomit. It ruins the mood.

[VLMarquette]

Okay, so you are right. I suppose I need to make sure that no other things I publish on this site, has the term snuff in the codes. As all the killings I have ever done in any of my work was not for sexual gratification. And as for cannibalism, that is about as nasty as it gets.



Ronnie.

[VLMarquette]

Just one more thing, and I will stop. As for the want of a gentler read, I happen to agree with that. I am as turned off as you are I am sure when all I see is cardboard characters, going through the same motions, over and over. That was one of the reasons I got into writing erotica to begin with. This was almost 9 years ago, long before this site. When all the erotica out there was take tab A insert it into slot B, or C, depending on the tastes of the reader, often. There was no plots, no story lines worth mentioning and all the characters were strictly one demential. This site is a godsend, it allows those of us who are/were, tired of mainstream adult paper backs a chance to open a whole new reality.


Ronnie

[Spitman]

As a writer whose stories are coded in the snuff category, I want to say that I understand and sympathise with people who dislike reading extremely violent stories in which women are brutally attacked and killed. I feel the same way.

So why are my stories coded as snuff? My subject matter deals with stronger female fantasies, usually consensual or at least semi-consensual, where the outcome is often the death of a female character in the story. I don't feel that my writing is on the same planet as the more objectionable variety, but all the same, I want to give readers some warning, and snuff is the only code this site has available for that purpose.

I do object to the suggestion that 'snuff' material is necessarily badly written. Good writing exists in every category on this site, including 'snuff'. There is also a lot of stuff in that category that will not be to everyone's taste.

I also have codes that I avoid, such as 'scat' which instantly turns me off.

The reason for having a personal dislike for a particular story is not always a question of degree, but one of attitude or philosophy. I don't get on with stuff about abusing women, especially where a woman is abused for the selfish gratification of the abuser. The abuse does not have to involve mutilation or death for me to find it objectionable. I don't complain about it. I just avoid it, and I also avoid threads in the Forum that deal with things I don't like.

What I am interested in happens to be stuff that women like, and it is a fact that many women enjoy violent fantasies. Many prefer them non-consensual but consensual, submissive fantasies that emphasise the female perspective are far more interesting to me, psychologically.

Removing that kind of fantasy material entirely would remove stuff that is enjoyed by many people of both sexes. It is important to understand that these stories are fiction. They come from the imagination of the author, but cannot be assumed to represent the behaviour of the author in everyday life.

People enjoy these stories for the same kind of reasons that they like to watch horror movies, or go on scary rides in theme parks.