Slave Master contract. Just incase you were curious or wanted to see one.

[GaelstormIRA]

Consensual Slavery Conctact


NOTE: It should go without saying that a "contract" such as this
is not legally binding. Documents such as this can only be enforced by
the people involved.

Consensual Slavery Contract

1.0.0 Slave's Role
The slave agrees to submit completely to the Master in all ways. There are no boundaries of place, time, or situation in which the slave may willfully refuse to obey the directives of the Master without risking punishment, except in situations where the slave's health veto (see section 1.0.1) applies. The slave also agrees that, once entered into the Slavery Contract, her body belongs to her Master, to be used as he sees fit, within the guidelines defined herein (see sections 1.0.1 and 2.1.0). All of the slave's possessions likewise belong to the Master, including all assets, finances, and material goods, to do with as he sees fit. The slave agrees to please the Master to the best of her ability, in that she now exists solely for the pleasure of said Master.

1.0.1 Slave's Health Veto
The slave, where appropriate, holds veto power over a command given by the Master that could result in severe injury, death, or arrest and ncarceration. This power may only be invoked under the following circumstances, or where agreed by both Master and slave: Where said command conflicts with any existing laws and may lead to fines, arrest, or prosecution of the slave (except for any laws that limit sexual activity, which are null and void for the purposes of this contract). Where said command may cause permanent bodily harm (see section 4.0.0) to the slave.

The slave's health veto does not cover the following activities:
- Where the slave is ordered to ingest any of the Master's bodily fluids or excretions (including but not limited to semen, sputum, urine, feces) the slave health veto does not apply.

- Where the slave is ordered by her Master to ingest any bodily fluids or excretions of another woman (including but not limited to vaginal fluids, sputum, urine, feces) the slave health veto does not apply.

- Where the slave is ordered by her Master to engage in anal sex with a frequency that causes stretching, discomfort, pain and small amounts of bleeding (as determined by the Master) the slave health veto does not apply.

- Where the slave is ordered to engage in fellatio for extended periods of time such that jaw soreness, tiredness or other non-permanent results occur, the slave health veto does not apply.

2.0.0 Master's Role
The Master accepts the responsibility for the slave's body and worldly possessions, to do with as he sees fit, under the provisions determined in this contract. The Master agrees to care for the slave, to arrange for the safety and well-being of the slave, as long as he owns the slave. The Master also accepts the commitment to treat the slave properly according to his opinion of what is proper, to train the slave, punish the slave, love the slave, and use the slave as he sees fit.

2.1.0 Master's Ownership of slave under Separate Contract
The Master can specify under Separate Contract the particular actions, behaviors, and speech he expects from his slave on a regular basis. The Separate Contract shall have the same force as his contract, but shall not contradict or override anything in this contract.

3.0.0 Punishment
The slave agrees to accept any punishment the Master decides to inflict, whether earned or not.

3.0.1 Rules of Punishment
Punishment of the slave is subject to certain rules designed to protect the slave from intentional abuse or permanent bodily harm (see 4.0.0). Punishment must not incur permanent bodily harm, or the following forms of abuse:

- Blood may not be drawn at any time. Punishment must stop immediately if blood is drawn, with the exception of small amounts of bleeding during anal sex

- Burning the body

- Drastic loss of circulation

- Causing internal bleeding

- Loss of consciousness

- Withholding of any necessary materials, such as food, water, or sunlight for extended periods of time

4.0.0 Permanent Bodily Harm
Since the body of the slave now belongs to the Master, it is the Master's responsibility to protect that body from permanent bodily harm. Should the slave ever come to permanent bodily harm during the course of punishment or in any other slavery related activity, whether by intention or accident, it will be grounds for immediate termination of this contract, should the slave so desire. Permanent bodily harm shall be determined as:

- Death

- Any damage that involves loss of mobility or function, including broken bones.

- Any permanent marks on the skin, including scars, burns, or tattoos, unless accepted by the slave.

- Any piercing of the flesh that leaves a permanent hole, unless accepted by the slave.

- Any diseases that could result in any of the above results, including sexually
transmitted diseases, except for any diseases caused by anal-oral contact, or by the ingestion of any of the Master's bodily fluids, which must be ingested if the Master orders even though a slight risk of disease is inherent in this activity.

5.0.0 Forms of Address
The Master may address the slave by any name he wishes to use. The slave shall always address the Master as "Master" unless he commands her to use a different form of address. The Master may require the slave to take a new proper name (given name). The Master can change the slave's given name at any time as he sees fit. The slave will accept as her proper name whatever name her Master gives her.

6.0.0 Others
The slave may not seek any other Master or lover or relate to others in any sexual or submissive way without the Master's permission. To seek others will be considered a breach of contract, and will result in extreme punishment. The Master may accept other slaves or lovers, and is not required to consider the slave's emotional response to such actions. The Master may require the slave to procure other women and pubescent girls for him. The Master may give the slave to other Masters, provided the rules of this contract are upheld. In such a situation, the Master will inform the new Master of the provisions stated herein, and the Master will consider any breach by the new Master a breach as well, subject to all rules stated in this contract.

7.0.0 Secrecy
All physical evidence of the slavery will be kept in total secrecy, except where both Master and slave agree. Any violation of this clause shall be cause to terminate this contract, should the Master wish it. The materials and physical evidence shall be kept under lock and key in a place acceptable to the Master.

8.0.0 Alteration of Contract
This contract may not be altered, except when both Master and slave agree. If the contract is altered, the new contract shall be printed and signed, and then the old contract must be destroyed.

9.0.0 Termination of Contract
This contract may be terminated at any time by the Master, but never by the slave, except under special conditions explained within this contract. Upon termination, all physical evidence of the slavery, including this contract, will be destroyed, and all materials and belongings shall belong to the Master, to be shared or kept as he sees fit. The slave, owning nothing and having agreed to give up all worldly possessions and body and soul to the Master, shall once again own her body, but nothing else, unless the Master decides
to give back her possessions and her soul.

10.0.0 Slave's Signature
I have read and fully understand this contract in its entirety. I agree to give everything I own to my Master, and further accept his claim of ownership over my physical body and my soul. I understand that I will be commanded and trained and used and punished as a slave, and I promise to be true and to fulfill the pleasures and desires of my Master to the best of my abilities. I understand that I cannot withdraw from this contract except as stated in this contract.

Signature:_______________________

10.0.1 Master's Signature
I have read and fully understand this contract in its entirety.
I agree to accept this slave as my property, body, soul and possessions, and to use her as I see fit within the limits of this contract. I shall provide for her security and well-being and command her, train her, use her, and punish her as my slave. I understand the responsibility implicit in this arrangement, and agree that no permanent harm shall come to the slave as long as she is mine. I further understand that I can withdraw from this contract at any time.

Signature:_______________________

[submissivewife]

Consensual Slavery Conctact



9.0.0 Termination of Contract
This contract may be terminated at any time by the Master, but never by the slave, except under special conditions explained within this contract. Upon termination, all physical evidence of the slavery, including this contract, will be destroyed, and all materials and belongings shall belong to the Master, to be shared or kept as he sees fit. The slave, owning nothing and having agreed to give up all worldly possessions and body and soul to the Master, shall once again own her body, but nothing else, unless the Master decides
to give back her possessions and her soul.

Ok, I do like the contract only I am having a hard time understanding that if a slave does terminate the contract how is it the body is no longer the Master's possession but the soul is?

I am still very new and mean no criticism or disrespect with my question. I really am courious about how the soul can still be the Master's but the body isn't? Wouldn't the soul go with the body if the slave decides to leave her Master?

submissive wife

[GaelstormIRA]

Actually I am a little fuzzy on that one as well, I was not the originator of this contract. But I believe he was meaning that he should not bare a grudge against the slave if the contract is ended... And to let the person go peacefully.

[Ruby]

Dear GaelstormIRA,

Thanks so much for posting this.

It's a popular contract making its way around the web and quite frankly, it scares the hell out of me.
We could take it apart one piece at a time and anyone wanting to use this non Safe, Sane and Consensual contract should do so. We could even argue that it goes beyond Risk Aware Consensual Kink, because aside from the "consensual" signing of this contract, the word "consensual" and the slave's right to consent is taken away in almost every paragraph.

I've seen at least one wife wanting to use it with her husband, not understanding that the relationship would then become poly and he could give her away at any time. He told her if they used it, he would divorce her so she could be his full time slave and not his wife any longer.

My opinion:

Follow this contract long enough and it doesn't matter that its not legal by the laws of most lands, it will be brainwashed into the slave's mind that to uphold her/his end of the bargain, the promise they made, etc., they need to follow the contract.

It does not address possible children, health insurance, long term health care, retirement of the slave, or mental health issues.

Let's say the slave is ordered to drink the urine of another person, that person has an active case of herpes... would the slave have veto power?

Let's say the slave has been ordered to kiss someone who has just eaten something like peanuts, to which the slave is deathly allergic...would the slave have veto power?

In these or any other cases, after time, would the slave actually have the ability to use the veto power?

This contract gives the Master the right to prostitute his slave as well as permanently give him/her away. Does said slave have the right to terminate the contract when given away? Not if I'm reading this correctly.

The master accidently kills the slave and the contract is terminated. No kidding! What recourse does the slave's family have? Has a bank account been set up? Insurance paid in advance? If so, wouldn't this be like actually buying the person?

The master permanently damages/marks the slave.
What is the penalty? Aside from the contract being broken, does the slave have monetary recourse?

Let's talk about money? Who is paying taxes? Managing bank accounts?
It would be very easy for a Master to have a slave sign over all of his/her worldly goods, then in a few months, say, "It isn't working. You are free to go. I terminate this contract." Slave leaves with what? A driver's license and birth certificate? Cause the slave now owns nothing.

I could go on and on. In theory, a contract sounds like sexy, fun way to cement the relationship.

In reality, contracts like this can be exploitive and dangerous. If anyone wants to sign up for this or any other contract, please seek legal council, first. Why?
Hmmmm..... because it's not SS&C or RACK and according to the contract, you would sign up knowing that you may be raped - used sexually against your will - but you are giving permission before the event.

Know your rights! I can't stress enough that there is only one unique "you" and each of you deserve the very best in your lives.

I'd like to hear from our forum members what you think about this contract?
Other's like it?
Who's used a slave contract?
How did it work out for you?
Would you recommend using a contract to others?

If you can stop at least one person from making the same mistakes you've done, or show someone how something gave you bliss, then you've made the world a better place. It's not easy to step forward, but enough of you have PMed me privately about these type of contracts that I hope you will tell the part of your story that you can.

Best regards,

Ruby

[submissivewife]

Dear GaelstormIRA,

Thanks so much for posting this.

It's a popular contract making its way around the web and quite frankly, it scares the hell out of me.
We could take it apart one piece at a time and anyone wanting to use this non Safe, Sane and Consensual contract should do so. We could even argue that it goes beyond Risk Aware Consensual Kink, because aside from the "consensual" signing of this contract, the word "consensual" and the slave's right to consent is taken away in almost every paragraph.

I've seen at least one wife wanting to use it with her husband, not understanding that the relationship would then become poly and he could give her away at any time. He told her if they used it, he would divorce her so she could be his full time slave and not his wife any longer.

My opinion:

Follow this contract long enough and it doesn't matter that its not legal by the laws of most lands, it will be brainwashed into the slave's mind that to uphold her/his end of the bargain, the promise they made, etc., they need to follow the contract.

It does not address possible children, health insurance, long term health care, retirement of the slave, or mental health issues.

Let's say the slave is ordered to drink the urine of another person, that person has an active case of herpes... would the slave have veto power?

Let's say the slave has been ordered to kiss someone who has just eaten something like peanuts, to which the slave is deathly allergic...would the slave have veto power?

In these or any other cases, after time, would the slave actually have the ability to use the veto power?

This contract gives the Master the right to prostitute his slave as well as permanently give him/her away. Does said slave have the right to terminate the contract when given away? Not if I'm reading this correctly.

The master accidently kills the slave and the contract is terminated. No kidding! What recourse does the slave's family have? Has a bank account been set up? Insurance paid in advance? If so, wouldn't this be like actually buying the person?

The master permanently damages/marks the slave.
What is the penalty? Aside from the contract being broken, does the slave have monetary recourse?

Let's talk about money? Who is paying taxes? Managing bank accounts?
It would be very easy for a Master to have a slave sign over all of his/her worldly goods, then in a few months, say, "It isn't working. You are free to go. I terminate this contract." Slave leaves with what? A driver's license and birth certificate? Cause the slave now owns nothing.

I could go on and on. In theory, a contract sounds like sexy, fun way to cement the relationship.

In reality, contracts like this can be exploitive and dangerous. If anyone wants to sign up for this or any other contract, please seek legal council, first. Why?
Hmmmm..... because it's not SS&C or RACK and according to the contract, you would sign up knowing that you may be raped - used sexually against your will - but you are giving permission before the event.

Know your rights! I can't stress enough that there is only one unique "you" and each of you deserve the very best in your lives.

I'd like to hear from our forum members what you think about this contract?
Other's like it?
Who's used a slave contract?
How did it work out for you?
Would you recommend using a contract to others?

If you can stop at least one person from making the same mistakes you've done, or show someone how something gave you bliss, then you've made the world a better place. It's not easy to step forward, but enough of you have PMed me privately about these type of contracts that I hope you will tell the part of your story that you can.

Best regards,

Ruby

When I reread this contract I became more and more scared at the prospects that this particular contract holds. If my Master would want this kind of contract it would need to be picked apart and altered a lot to suit our needs. This contract does not take into consideration that I am a person and do want my feelings considered. I wouldn't recommend this contract, as is, to be sure. I still don't understand how the Master can keep the soul and not the body.

All the points that Ruby points out is something to consider. Since my Master is my husband I wouldn't consider this contract, as is, because I don't want to be his personal prostitue for another Master to use as he pleased and I sure don't want to go and find him another slave for him to use. Then there is the veto prospects. All of these things I have moral issues with. I would hope that my Master, or any other Master/Mistress, would want to consider the slaves moral issues when he/she takes her/him has his/her slave.

There are many like my husband and I who want to consider slave contracts but I do beleive that designing one to our needs is going to be way we are going to go.

Now that brings me to other questions. Is it common place in M/s relationships to have written contracts? Or is it mostly glamorized by the BDSM M/s comunity? Is it acceptable to be 'slave' to my Master and be collared without a contract?

submissive wife

[her_Joe]

I'd like to hear from our forum members what you think about this contract?

Like you, Ruby, I think it's a disaster waiting to happen. I like the idea of a contract, perhaps for the supposed "romance" but especially when it tries to spell out many of the issues you articulated. For example, when pita and I get together (at last) this spring we will have a section spelling out my limits and relationship with her child as well as indicating the various limits we've both identified in our play lists and the more typical areas of concern.

I wonder if the contract GaelstormIRA posted is one that comes originally from some work of fiction ... as an actual life document it seems to miss most of the real issues to deal with the more spectacular and graphic concerns ... always to the detriment of the slave. Reading this, I see no purpose for the slave to have the contract except for one or two very vague references to lmits in drawing of blood and physical marking.

SubmissiveWife asked:

Is it acceptable to be 'slave' to my Master and be collared without a contract?

Yes, certainly. In fact I've more frequently run into people who think it's strange to have a contract. I think it is helpful in clarifying roles and responsibilities and so I'm comfortable with the idea, but not this form. As I said, I hope to be together in a couple of months with my sub. We'll have a fairly elaborate contract for the first year, reviewable by each of us at each three months. At the end of the year we hope to be able to revise it so that it has only a single paragraph of necessary statements which will be permanent; our feeling is that with experience we will only want a contract which is our pledge to one another.

As you can see, it's my opinion too that a contract is a negotiated document, not one like the sample which seems to have been dictated by the "Master."

her_Joe

[cts81]

I just googled "slave contract" and found lots of much more realistic contracts which make much more sense and are generally safer and more concerned with sub welfare. Why anyone would use this one s beyond me.

[GaelstormIRA]

Dear GaelstormIRA,

Thanks so much for posting this.

It's a popular contract making its way around the web and quite frankly, it scares the hell out of me.
We could take it apart one piece at a time and anyone wanting to use this non Safe, Sane and Consensual contract should do so. We could even argue that it goes beyond Risk Aware Consensual Kink, because aside from the "consensual" signing of this contract, the word "consensual" and the slave's right to consent is taken away in almost every paragraph.

I've seen at least one wife wanting to use it with her husband, not understanding that the relationship would then become poly and he could give her away at any time. He told her if they used it, he would divorce her so she could be his full time slave and not his wife any longer.

My opinion:

Follow this contract long enough and it doesn't matter that its not legal by the laws of most lands, it will be brainwashed into the slave's mind that to uphold her/his end of the bargain, the promise they made, etc., they need to follow the contract.

It does not address possible children, health insurance, long term health care, retirement of the slave, or mental health issues.

Let's say the slave is ordered to drink the urine of another person, that person has an active case of herpes... would the slave have veto power?

Let's say the slave has been ordered to kiss someone who has just eaten something like peanuts, to which the slave is deathly allergic...would the slave have veto power?

In these or any other cases, after time, would the slave actually have the ability to use the veto power?

This contract gives the Master the right to prostitute his slave as well as permanently give him/her away. Does said slave have the right to terminate the contract when given away? Not if I'm reading this correctly.

The master accidently kills the slave and the contract is terminated. No kidding! What recourse does the slave's family have? Has a bank account been set up? Insurance paid in advance? If so, wouldn't this be like actually buying the person?

The master permanently damages/marks the slave.
What is the penalty? Aside from the contract being broken, does the slave have monetary recourse?

Let's talk about money? Who is paying taxes? Managing bank accounts?
It would be very easy for a Master to have a slave sign over all of his/her worldly goods, then in a few months, say, "It isn't working. You are free to go. I terminate this contract." Slave leaves with what? A driver's license and birth certificate? Cause the slave now owns nothing.

I could go on and on. In theory, a contract sounds like sexy, fun way to cement the relationship.

In reality, contracts like this can be exploitive and dangerous. If anyone wants to sign up for this or any other contract, please seek legal council, first. Why?
Hmmmm..... because it's not SS&C or RACK and according to the contract, you would sign up knowing that you may be raped - used sexually against your will - but you are giving permission before the event.

Know your rights! I can't stress enough that there is only one unique "you" and each of you deserve the very best in your lives.

I'd like to hear from our forum members what you think about this contract?
Other's like it?
Who's used a slave contract?
How did it work out for you?
Would you recommend using a contract to others?

If you can stop at least one person from making the same mistakes you've done, or show someone how something gave you bliss, then you've made the world a better place. It's not easy to step forward, but enough of you have PMed me privately about these type of contracts that I hope you will tell the part of your story that you can.

Best regards,

Ruby

After reading over the contract again, I have come to a few conclusions. One being you are right Ruby, I intially posted this as a contract just to look at, and I have decided that I should ask now that no one ever use this one. After taking a very serious look, it seems it is set up in a fantasy based reality. This contract sucks, and I do think I will remove it if there are no objections. Although I am going to try and find a better one, that will not be so dangerous.

[Ruby]

GaelstormIRA,

Please don't remove it. I am really pleased you posted it.

It's a great piece for discussion and it's all over the net, or variants of it in many places.

If you find one that you like, please post that one, too.

All,

If anyone finds one they like, please post it and why.
There are many seeking contracts and though they may end up writing their own, it's not always fun to start from scratch.

If anyone cares to answer the questions posed about contracts, what your local community thinks about them, etc. please do.

[her_Joe]

If anyone finds one they like, please post it and why.
There are many seeking contracts and though they may end up writing their own, it's not always fun to start from scratch.

I hesitate to post one, Ruby, as that seems to recommend a specific approach for such a diverse group of folk. But here is a sampling of three contracts that I found useful. Each is for a different level of D/s commitment and while there are individual changes I might choose to make to each -- or even to combine them -- they gave me a lot of useful ideas. (note the credit goes to the Dallas BDSM folk.)

I would like to see the contracts from people who have been living with their own and hear what they like about it, or would like to change. Or maybe that should be in another thread.

her_Joe

[Rhiannon]

This may be a curiously obtuse,nitpicking or even plain naive query, but how come none of the contracts say "Master/Mistress"?

While I realise that it is a simple thing to change the orientation in this regard, I just thought it an interesting point

[Ruby]

Or Mistress & Pet?

[bearbeast]

hiya everyone

just read all the posts that have been sent, and I too feel that the first contract shown here is a bit harsh, and I wouldn't sign one like that. Although my Mistress and I did talk about having one. After our first inital dicusscusion a few months ago, about what I could handle and what my dislikes and likes was, what punishments I could cope with and what I could offer my Mistress, I thought it would be a kind of romantic and much like a marrage kind of thing to have it written down, basically I would always tell the truth, always serve my mistress the best way I could. in return for punishments, that I'd like, but only when Mistress wants to give it, sound goofy I know but all relationships are different, in my minds eye, and each and everyone of us has the right to have an agreement into what is going to happen to us. no matter what form of relationship you may be in. Just think if we where all the same it would be very boring I too hope that anyone thinking about a contract of any sort you must be able to trust that person explictily, and also know your limitations.

you all have a good day/night
take care
bearbeast.

[Kaori-san]

The first contract doesn't seem too good and I agree with all that Ruby said about it. I don't understand why anyone would use it really.

One thing that defiantly stood out with me is the money and possessions aspect; the Master/Mistress just decide to leave a slave alone without anything to live on.. it could be used against the sub in so many ways really. But the possessions aspect; a Master/Mistress could do anything with that and the slave would have no say in anything.

The owning the soul thing is a bit strange too; as I'm a believer in that the soul is something important. A person can't be truly alive without their soul to me.. so the idea of a Master/Mistress always owning a submissives soul seems very wrong, for me anyway.

Well that was my two pence anyway

[fwss]

It bears saying that any contract is designed to be suitable for the parties concerned, even if others don't find it very palatable. I would agree though that there are some heavy and perhaps dubious elements to the contract posted here; Ruby raises some good points about the ambiguity over physical safety and permanent injury.

However I have a contract with my Mistress which similarly makes no provision for my financial well-being if we were to part. As it happens I am quite sure that She would 'look after me' in that unfortunate event, but there is no contractual obligation upon Her to do so. She and I sought a situation and a contract that entails real ownership, where Her needs and desires and comfort are far more important than mine.

[Blue_Monday]

Thanks for the other point of view, fwss. I knew there must be somebody reading who would dig that kind of contract, for the very reasons that others didn't like it!

You mentioned that you feel sure your Mistress would take care of you if you parted ways, but that there's nothing in the contract for it. So if there are certainties you have outside the contract, why use a contract?

I don't mean to disrespect the idea, because I know that it's very important to people (I don't happen to be married or otherwise pledged right now). But if there are things you can *know* without having to write them down, why do people go to so much trouble with contracts? Couldn't you just *know* all of it?

I think marriages work that way--you take a simple vow, you have legal protections, but all the day-to-day stuff is by verbal agreement. Wouldn't that work with a D/s relationship, too?

Just curious, and looking for opinions--thanks!

[Ruby]

I think the idea of a contract or vows that are to be kept in a D/s relationship can be very comforting and as well as stimulating.

There is a level of security in knowing that your partner and you have agreed on a set of boundaries within the relationship. If those boundaries are broken, then the couple can assess the relationship and determine whether or not to continue.

Contracts that leave all of the decisions with one party get my no vote, because I'm not into non-consensual activites and I see them as a step closer to abuse rather than a step closer to a relationship based on mutual trust.

A marriage vow and legal status are a wonderful way for a couple to cement their d/s relationship.

However, for same sex or poly couples, that same level of legal protection isn't available worldwide. Also, not every sub and dom wish to get married.

Contracts like anything else, are another tool for the relationship. Use them or don't, it's your choice.

[fwss]

Hi BM.. I didn't say I was certain about the looking after me thing, just that I felt sure. The point is, our contract makes it clear that Mistress is NOT obliged to do so, in any way. The contract generally IS important.. of course in any relationship, vanilla or d/s, there are things that both parties know - or THINK they know.... Feelings change, people change, 'certainties' change.

The contract specifically makes my role clear for life.... it means that if I have 'wobbles' or want things to change, that's simply 'tough'... those decisions are entirely in Mistress's hands.

Ruby, re this comment: <<Contracts that leave all of the decisions with one party get my no vote, because I'm not into non-consensual activites and I see them as a step closer to abuse rather than a step closer to a relationship based on mutual trust.>> I freely (and eagerly!) signed the contract and entered this situation, so I don't see it as non-consensual. I trust my Mistress with my life.... almost literally... and don't wholly like even the hint of that ugly word 'abuse'.

I know that 'extreme' bdsm relationships can look a bit scary or somehow wrong from the outside, but those of us in them are often very intelligent people, not whacked out weirdoes with no common sense at all... :-)

[Ruby]

fwss,

It's fantastic that you've found a partner you can trust with your life and that you've got a contract that works for the two of you. Cause that's what contracts are all about, what works for the two of you, not anyone else.

I agree that extreme BDSM relationships can look scary. So can mild ones from those not living them. Heck, I've seen some vanilla relationships that were down right terrifying.

Wacked out weirdo's with no common sense?
I'm not sure where that's coming from.
In this thread we were discussing contracts and personal preferences about them. We weren't slamming people's choices, name calling or suggesting that people who are involved in BDSM relationships whether extreme or mild are in anyway less intelligent than folks who have vanilla relationships.

It is not for me to judge what's in the heart of another.
I can judge someone's actions and decide if they hurt me or not. I can decide if I want them in my life or not. I can decide if I want to sign a contract or not. So can you. It about personal choices and helping educate each other on the choices that we've made.

If you ever feel like sharing more of your relationship, what works, what doesn't, why you chose a contract, what you like or don't like about it, please do. If you want to focus on your relationship with your Mistress, like an ongoing documentary, I encourage you to start your own thread in the My BDSM Life section of the forums and go for it.

You've brought up some very valuable points in your posts and there's always room for actual discussion and disagreement. If we get stuck, we can always agree to disagree.

So...hint, hint, hint...
What do you like about having a contract?
How did you and your mistress go about selecting one?
Care to share a copy with the forum members?

To your success,

Ruby

[fwss]

Thanks for a very reasoned reply Ruby. I'm probably a little over-sensitive about some of this - there is a lot of censure of the more 'extreme' lifestyles even within the BDSM community - hence my (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) reference to wacked-out weirdoes.

There is a wonderful line in 'Slavecraft' (Daedalus Publishing): "Few have walked on the moon, but we do not call them extremists"

To answer your questions/suggestions:

1. I like having a contract for several reasons, I suppose. Mostly because for me, I want (need?) my slavery to be as real as humanly possible. The contract means that I simply have to get through times of difficulty or of pining for old freedoms, rather than turn around and say I don't feel like serving today. It also protects both me and my owner, in some ways. Her from accusations of abuse, kidnapping (hehehe!), false imprisonment. Me from ... well, not a lot really... but it does include her responsibility to feed and house me as long I'm her slave.

2. We wrote the contract ourselves, and it is refined from time to time as points occur to us; boundaries have been removed at times, clarified at others.

3. I don't want to share it in the forum... I'm not embarrassed by it, but it feels intensely personal, somehow.

[velvet_nectarine]

When i first read the contract, it didn't sit right with me, and after reading Ruby's post, I understand what bothered me and want to share that. I would just like to reiterate a few points Ruby made, as well as make a few new ones of my own.

First of all, the Master can give the slave to whomever he wishes. To me, a Master wanting to give away his slave, thereby relinquishing control over her, for any period of time (obviously this excludes time when the slave and/or Master is at work, doing errands, etc. while alone), is completely irresponsible. It may be acceptable to allow another Master to direct/control the slave for a period of time if both the slave and her Master know and trust the other Master, but i know i would not be comfortable with it, especially because the contract says nothing about the slave knowing or trusting the other Master, or what happens if the other Master somehow hurts the slave.

The contract allows the Master to introduce other people into the relationship without regard to the slave's feelings about it. A Master is completely responsible for the slave's feelings, security, etc., and to bring another person into the relationship, in any way, without the slave being fully supportive could seriously damage the existing relationship between the Master and slave.

The contract excludes oral-anal contact and consuming feces from the slave's veto power. The intestines and fecal matter itself contain bacteria and sometimes parasites. It is intrinsically dirty, but if the Master orders the slave to consume fecal matter or lick an unclean anus, what can she do? Although this could be damaging to the slave's health, the contract does not recognize this. According to the contract, she can do nothing.

What if the loving Master turns out to be a narcissistic con-artist? What does the slave do then? Although not legally held by the contract, the slave is bound psychologically, and it could be very damaging to the slave to both be in the relationship where she is not being taken care of as well as leave the relationship and suffer all sorts of guilt over breaking the contract. Also, if she has signed over her possessions, possibly including a car, a house, one or more bank accounts, retirement accounts, stocks, etc., what does she do then?

When i read the line about the contract terminating at the death of the slave, i almost laughed. The Master kills the slave - whoops! looks like the contract is null and void! - and then what happens? As Ruby said, is there any recourse for the slave's family? Legally, at least, the family could probably sue the Master for damages and the Master could possibly be held to a manslaughter charge, but all of that is a bit late for the slave, especially if the Master was irresponsible in his actions.

Finally, the contract doesn't provide for any of the practicalities of life - children, jobs, retirement, money management, etc. The contract, in and of itself, is impractical.

I don't mean to alienate anyone who has either agreed to a contract like this or thinks it's a good idea - i do think contracts between Masters and slaves can be good, depending on how they're written - but i advise everyone to think critically and analytically when it comes to things like this. These contracts have the potential to be very damaging to one's life.

What do all of you think? Have you/did you ever agree to a contract? How has it/did it work? Do you think they're a good/bad idea?

[Ruby]

fwss,

Thank you for responding. I'm sure that there are many who relate to your reasons on why you want to have a contract.

Please don't be lulled into thinking that it protects her or you from law enforcement officers, family members or anyone else who thinks they have a right to intrude on your relationship if either of you were to step outside the legal boundaries of your location or were to become incapacitated from edge play.

I understand about the contract being personal, so I won't push for you to post it.

Just that the two of you take the time to review it, to modify as necessay is a huge example to everyone who's even thinking about having a contract.

velvet_nectarine,

Excellent points and good questions.

Who's next?