Contributing to the Site

[thepast]

To answer some questions I have the answers to (since I have done a little research into this... )

1. Moving the post counter really isn't an option right now--it gets into the actual programming language of the site, and to be honest, unless I am mistaken (T?) Tiger has a lot of other higher priority things on his list to be doing... so, it will stay where it is for now...

1a. Awards: again, totally not advocating more & more & more of them... God no. I don't think there is a "simple" answer to this whole question I posted in the OP, which is, *grins*, why I posted it! It was to open the floor to have a discussion, not to get a a "right answer"--there IS no right answer! (wow, how frustrating that must be for some people *giggles*)

2. I don't see anything WRONG with the F&G-- which I believe I made clear with my first post. But eh, who knows. F&G, like all other areas of the forums, attracts some types of people, and what works for them, works for them.

That being said, posting short posts in the Welcome/Intro threads (i.e. "hello & welcome to the site"), IMO, serves an ENTIRELY different purpose then posting a word into an F&G thread. Saying hello & welcome to someone in the intro threads is like welcoming them into the family. Now, some will say "oh, but I do that elsewhere" or "oh, but I do that via PM" etc etc etc--and that's great. But the welcome threads are used for people to be able to introduce themselves & to feel welcomed to the site. And important thing, no? It's like when new people come into chat & everyone says hello and welcome. We do that for a purpose... it isn't just a coinkidink--and it breeds onto itself... so if new people are welcomed by others, they in turn will welcome other new people

And yes, as many have mentioned, the high rate of traffic into those F&G threads "helps the site traffic" and serves statistical "purpose"--of course it does. But why not have a high rate of traffic into all the other areas as well? *shrugs* Again, juuuuust food for thought.

As for marking forums... personally, I don't mark anything, but that could just be me being a loser. The forums are grouped on the site according to "broad topic," so I just scout through the various themed areas. Maybe others who are having subscribed thread issues, or issues with "list new threads" maybe could just try that? Just click right into the areas you like? I dunno, again, I don't have experience w/that whole subscribing thing to really know how it runs.

3. TomofSweden... Just to clear up a point you made. You mentioned you haven't seen me posting around lately. There are MANY reasons for this, some public, some private. But a.) I am in the middle of law school, thus time on the site is limited; b.) when I am on, I am in chat--I don't see you in there, so you don't see me here. Funny how that works *giggles*. I am the chat admin, so I do about 95% of my 'biness in the chatroom, and slide into forums when I have time, or when there is something pertinent I have to add to a substantive thread; c.) when I post, I generally (90% of the time) am posting something substantive, so I post a LOT less because they take a lot more time to write. And often it's into threads you aren't nosing around. Why? Who knows! LOL... Forums is a big place... hell, there are lots of people I don't even know because they don't post into the BDSM-related threads, or don't visit the chat room, so I don't interact much with them. Maybe you & I are just two people whose paths don't cross often

So why make this thread then, since I "don't post"?? Because I think it's important for people to just think about things & talk about things sometimes--there are many ways to have friendly, cordial debates & conversations--this thread is a great example! So why not? It's like the thread I started about fantasy partners--I personally like to get people thinking & talking & debating.


I akin this all to a r/l munch group... people talk about all sorts of topics, etc at munches & get togethers. Literally spanning everything from news to what ropes are best for certain activities... and that is much the same here on the forums... Nothing wrong with sticking to one topic in a convo, but why not expand your horizons & talk about other things? Or wander over & talk with a group you haven't talked to before? Perhaps awkward the first time... but you never know who you'll meet!


Again, just my opinion... And as we all know, with my opinion & $2, you can buy yourself a 1/2 a gallon of gas...

[TomOfSweden]

I wasn't questioning your capacity to moderate since you don't post stuff. Moderating effectively I think is more about what you don't do rather than what you do. The most opinionated foul mouths will never work as moderators.

...and nobody will ever need an excuse not to hang on an Internet forum, moderator or not. We need excuses when we do hang here

[thrall]

It boils down to comfort levels of participation......

Do you think someone shy or uncomfortable with posting would be more likely to post a single one word answer in fun and games.......or a whole diatribe in BDSM general???....The point is they posted. And hopefully the experience will be good and positive and will lead to more participation in other topics....

I could care less about the post count...and yes I have gotten quite a few posts in fun and games, because I enjoy them.......but I also participate in all sections of the library. The writers block, prose, poetry and photo art, BDSM and general.....all of it, including chat. Truthfully, for the longest time I didn’t allow the “Forum Goddess” flag in my profile. Personally I think its rather tasteless….I didn’t realize there was a thing as “post envy”…and oh God now… “welcome envy”……..LOL

The games however are more then you relies.........especially if you don't frequent them often and watch the flow of the games.....They are not always insipid one word jokes. They can be a fast paced prid quo pro form of communication...Its a very good way to get to know people...even if it is only one or two word at a time.....

You get to know how people feel...and what they think, you get to know who they are. Are they happy or sad today? Did they have a good day or a bad day. Do they feel good or bad...All without the pressure of having a "conversation" with someone else... The games are a good place to blow off steam and not to make a joke…..but to play with your self.

You just can’t go into chat and spill your guts......but in games you can if you want to…Some people won’t take the time or have the desire to make long posts, but are willing to share themselves in a more light hearted way.

For example....my personal favorite.."Reason for a spanking"..

...........Because I am sad to see this thread......


So, should “post count” be recognized?. Yes I think it should and for several reasons. High post counts indicate an active and alive site, something that advertisers look for. Most importantly, it tells members that they are valued.

Granted members who don’t like the fun and games section will not have post counts as high those that do. So why not lower the bar??...say every 250 or 500 posts?? And change the flag at each milestone…..that way everyone, no matter where and how they post will be recognized.

[Logic1]

On another forum I visit (not with this topic though) they removed postcount due to loads of ++ threads and just ++ing in other threads.
After that they removed postcount at all. I know postcount is a fun kinda way to measure but it isnt exactly anything but just that.. fun.
++ing is fun but does it count as a contribution?

[Tojo]

Oh this sucks- Oz has more posts than me!!

Damn, I'm crushed

[Tufty]

Tufty, I apologize if it appeared my remark on that "tech problem" re: the post counter appeared to be directed at you--it wasn't. You make lots of contributions to the site... it was simply demonstrative of my point (albiet taken perhaps out of context).

No need for apologies, delia. It wasn't taken personally at all

[lily27]

I don't want to argue with you anyone else because I personally don't give a fuck one way or the other what is thought by anyone about my post count . I'll just say if it is so fucking easy why do more not do it? I do not post welcomes to new people to advance my post count. I don't need to use that as a vehicle to increase them.

If you don't care, then why are you getting so firey about it? My comment wasn't specifically about you... I used the word "some" and even bolded it because I expected it to be misinterpreted from the beginning.

I think it is great that people welcome the newbies.... but you said it was mostly the people who frequent the F&G section that do so. I pointed out that for SOME people it is not out of any great benevolance, but is simply another way to easily up their post count.

Why don't I take the time to do it? Because if I only have 20 minutes on the forum, I would rather take it to respond to someone's question in another area, than to go and "Welcome!" 20 people.

And "willing to argue" is more a turn of phrase than anything else. No reason to bring out the F-bombs.

[lily27]

I don't have a problem with the F&G section persay, and at one point spent a fair bit of time for myself. BUT... I do wonder sometimes if it takes away from the site (note, I said "wonder".... and am not declaring this such.... this is as much an open ended question as delia's original one was). If it was taken away (again, not proposing... just thinking outloud) would everyone just disappear, or would that activity just move to other areas of the site?

For me, if removing F&G results in MORE BDSM discussion, I think it is a fabulous trade. (Notice I said "If"? I don't know for sure what would happen one way or another.... just musing outloud again.)

As for the post-count awards, I am all for getting rid of them and definitely not for adding more. Before the Hall of Fame people would strive for their first 150 posts in order to get into the Cellar. But then the "bar" was raised to 1000 and the quantity vs. quality balance seriously shifted. People would come into the chat room desperately looking for someone to go play F&G with them so they could win their awards. I am personally aware of members who stayed up all night for the SOLE REASON of winning their award.

I don't see much value in the contributor awards either, but only because giving them out becomes a huge nightmare, and how can you possibly compare one good contributor to another? Personally, I get more out of someone commenting about what I have said in the thread (not just hitting the Thanks button) or when I get PMs from people thanking me for what I have posted.

[gemmy]

It boils down to comfort levels of participation......

I think so too - although I read in the F&G, I don't often post in there simply because I don't know everyone well enough to poke fun at them and don't want to upset anyone - I do, however, get a great giggle reading in there

...I didn’t realize there was a thing as “post envy”…and oh God now… “welcome envy”……..LOL

lol now that is funny *giggles*

[Tufty]

People would come into the chat room desperately looking for someone to go play F&G with them so they could win their awards. I am personally aware of members who stayed up all night for the SOLE REASON of winning their award.

Really???

[lily27]

Really???

Absolutely. I don't know if it is still occuring (I am not around here as much anymore) but it was definitely pretty rampant when the HOF was first introduced.

[Warbaby1943]

And "willing to argue" is more a turn of phrase than anything else. No reason to bring out the F-bombs.

You have the knack of bringing out the best in me. Notice I said you.

[sisterhoney61 {RW}]

Ok, I think that I have a legit question here. Up until this thread I personally never noticed how many posts I or anyone else on this board had, because how many posts anyone has really doesn't mean anything to me. *shrugs*

My question is: what is the reasoning behind the post count in the first place? I belong to several other boards and they have post counts (in fact, at one of my other boards someone just today brought up the top ten posters on the board. Whippee?). But what is the point of post counts? I'm sure there has to be a reasoning behind it. As far as I know, the other boards I belong to don't offer awards to the people with the most posts.

I know this all sounds convuluted, but until delia started this thread I never realized that posting numbers were all that important and meant anything. I mean, I can understand a total post count of everyone altogether would be important, because then that would show the moderators how active the site was in general. And if they had post counts of each section on the board they could see which were the most popular and that would help them decide if they should get rid of certain sections or combine them with others, etc. But why the individual post counts of the forum members? Why are those posted? And it's not just this site I'm asking about; all the forums I am active on do this and I was just wondering why this was so. I'm sure there is a reason behind it.

[thrall]

I think so too - although I read in the F&G, I don't often post in there simply because I don't know everyone well enough to poke fun at them and don't want to upset anyone - I do, however, get a great giggle reading in there

MG....that is just the point...its "fun and games"...you dont HAVE to know anyone!..there is no "chat protocol" to follow...no ...may i talk to you ..or can i let myself into a conversation...not of that!!

The point is to just answer the questions........anyway you want, however you want.....and have fun!!

Hope to see you in Fun and Games!!!!

[Tufty]

I think so too - although I read in the F&G, I don't often post in there simply because I don't know everyone well enough to poke fun at them and don't want to upset anyone - I do, however, get a great giggle reading in there

LOL, Yes...I sat and looked at the posts on there for a week before I dared to reply - and much for thame reason. I do think that there is something for everybody here and some wonderful people to get to know.

But, it's getting a little off the main topic of the thread abou the number of posts...

[TomOfSweden]

How about this then. If the point of the postcount is to gauge some kind of dedication to the forum. Why not skip post count and only count "thanks".

What better measurement of a members value than its helpfulness to others?

[gagged_Louise]

Ok, I think that I have a legit question here. Up until this thread I personally never noticed how many posts I or anyone else on this board had, because how many posts anyone has really doesn't mean anything to me. *shrugs*

My question is: what is the reasoning behind the post count in the first place? I belong to several other boards and they have post counts (in fact, at one of my other boards someone just today brought up the top ten posters on the board. Whippee?). But what is the point of post counts? I'm sure there has to be a reasoning behind it. As far as I know, the other boards I belong to don't offer awards to the people with the most posts.

I know this all sounds convuluted, but until delia started this thread I never realized that posting numbers were all that important and meant anything. I mean, I can understand a total post count of everyone altogether would be important, because then that would show the moderators how active the site was in general. And if they had post counts of each section on the board they could see which were the most popular and that would help them decide if they should get rid of certain sections or combine them with others, etc. But why the individual post counts of the forum members? Why are those posted? And it's not just this site I'm asking about; all the forums I am active on do this and I was just wondering why this was so. I'm sure there is a reason behind it.

I guess a valid reason for showing post count, time you joined and that kind is to give a quick, rough idea of how active a certain member is, how much they are around. Some people here, like myself, Jeanne, Tom, Pertez or Warbaby (just a few) are around more or less any day, while others may take weeks and months between logging in. If you're new to the place, or to a certain forum here, and you see a post or some meber who interests you, then it's really annoying if you reply or send a pm and nothing at all happens for weeks because that member has in fact made only te posts and doesn't come around for months. This is a crude mesure, but it's still useful.

I personally could care less if I have 8.000 or 30.000 posts, and actually it took me six months here to get to 1.000. When the posting rate started to pick up for real, the reason was not some wish to get to 10K but first off, that I made several new friends here who were so much fun to be with. Angel and myself - others too - share an interest in intricate word games, and when she began spending time at F&G and invented games like Alphabet Story it hit a raw nerve with me - anyone who thinks word games are bland and undemanding, or are not about bdsm practices, should take a look at that thread!

So Angel definitely helped lift the post count for me and others (and us lifting hers) but it was out of a sense of fun, not a wish to reach 10.000. I don't recall seeing it as a race to 10.000 even when I was three-fourths of the way - we do have offline lives too, and in any case, the post count was never that important a part of why I spent time here.

How about this then. If the point of the postcount is to gauge some kind of dedication to the forum. Why not skip post count and only count "thanks".

What better measurement of a members value than its helpfulness to others?

Because ultimately two friends can agree to post thanks for everything they do, every post, even for posting in some number game. It doesn't sopnd very useful. I can think of a few times when people seem to have been up for hours poasting against each other in some numbers game too, and okay that's got nothing to do with bdsm and lifts their post count, but I thin the long run that gets eased out, while a 2000 thanks roll is a bit harder to reach up to and may not really reflect the dedication behind. But let's not get into a fight about who is th best member here.

[icey]

not sure if that would work Tom , what happens if some people dislike each other,?
not everyone does use the thankyou option if you look aound it tends to be the same people mostly who want to thank posts and if they've a dislike for someone then helpful post or not it's unlikely they'll thank them (sounds petty but thats human nature)

personally i dont see the need for them and the post count more often than not is simply another hack that everyone installs it doesnt have to be there or switched on, but its one of those things that because most sites have it its an automatic feature provided just like,avatars, online visibility,user titles,smilies etc

it can help to be used for gauging when there's private forums that need a certain amount of posts before you can join, although (with vbulletin anyway) it automatically shows in admin regardless of whether its active on the boards or not.

but when it comes right down to it all it is really is a few numbers under the avvy in the info box.

[thrall]

aahhh.....

But i think the question is...........should there be........awards for posting......

My understanding of the "forum god" flag was to recognize Warbaby because he had reached 10,000 posts. Not something anyone else on the forum had ever gotten close too, and as you all know.......not easy.

It was a "Thank you for participating"


Participating...........period. No stipulation on what or where he posted.


And thanks to active members who enjoy wit and words.......the games section proved to be fun and stimulating.....post count was beside the point.


HHHmmm let me think.....the game "This or That"....flogger or whip?..... OTK or over a table?.....knife play or wax play? chains or leather?...sounds BDSM to me....


Im sorry but the feel i get form questions like this ......in my opinion....is down right jealousy....it feels as if the "have not's" are angry/jealious because they post...but not often ...and feel that they are not recognized for their participation...


In my opinion.......it is very like whining........." but i dont have one!"...."why does he/she get to have one!"..........which is where the whole......"quantity vs. quality" issue comes into play....

[lily27]

I can't speak for everyone, but I know that my comments certainly don't come from jealousy but from a love of this site. My observation was that as soon as the hall of fame was started (awarding members with 1000 posts) the content of the entire site took a drastic downturn in favour of any thread that could be given a quick and easy reply.

I am all for anything that increases BDSM knowledge and experience based discussion. It is not about decreasing non-BDSM topics. But it seems to me (and I have shared this opinion to several people long long before this thread was started) that various awards drastically reduced the level of participation in the BDSM specific threads.

I would be interested to hear from anyone else who was around in the pre-awards days to see if they had any of the same observations.

[thrall]

Delia's initial post isnt about........content......it is about post count......and awards for said post count.....

Clearly the site has something for everyone......and i love this site.

As far as i see it there are only 16 members out of 32,627 who have gone past the 10,000 mark. The field narrows a bit when you think that the posting of "Real BDSM" comments has suffered.........because of 16 people......

Several of those 16 people dont post or visit the site often anymore......and as far as i can see.....its the same people who love the games who.......still play the games. So its not as if they made the 10,000 posts to get the award and stop. That would be post hunting. Nor do i see mass hysteria in the games to accumulate posts.....to garner a stupid award.

So........there must be some other reason for drop off of posting in BDSM threads. Mass exodus?? Brain drain???.....i remember those events happening. How active would the forum be if the top posters left?

So......back to the Delia's original question....do you recognize participation???

[thrall]

Members of the One Thousand Post Club

Founding Members (2006)

Aesop
Asia
BDSM_Tourguide
DungeonMaster6
frankee
hawk_fann
maddie
Mobius
MsUther
Ozme52
Rabbit1
Silke
slavelucy
StillBehindBlueEyes
Super Bitch
timberwolf
Tojo
Warbaby1943


September 2006

aussiegirl1
cariad
curious_1
delia
dzire2pleeze
Ruby
SheepishJaina
suchaminx

October 2006

cookiecat
lizeskimo
master 327-834-200
RickBulow74
riverwingsong
slave327-834-200
TheDeSade
waterbaby421
~hellish one~

November 2006

Uncle_Ed
Widget
Wolfscout

December 2006

gagged_Louise
just_annie
lilangel{HM}
moptop



Members of the One Thousand Post Club (2007)

January 2007

Inazuka
lily27
poetic_justice
violet girl

February 2007

**D** aka. Mr.J
IDCrewDawg
mkemse
pixie_dust

March 2007

Rhabbi

April 2007

caligirl{Rob}
ceegee{Benz}
MajesticFae
Mishka
willow
^firefly^

May 2007

angelic_zest
anonymouse
jeanne
nk_lion
thrall

June 2007

crazy_grrluk
MrEmann
MysteriousFun
Pertez
retsam6
Sadistic1
tessa

July 2007

Docha
Dorkalicious
PainSister
TomOfSweden

August 2007

Alex Bragi
Aquaduct
John56
Sir_Russell

September 2007

himind

October 2007

Dragon's muse
ElectricBadger

November 2007

Euryleia
Logic1

December 2007

cadence
Echoes
rce

Within September 2007 - December 2007

blythespirit
Voodoo_Child

Members of the One Thousand Post Club (2008)

January 2008

(None)

February 2008

blossom

March 2008

~minx~
Leigh

April 2008

mandy77
Sir_G

May 2008





I just looked this up.....not a bad list of members.........

Thank you all for participating!!!

[butterflySlave4u]

....and is that when the HOF awards started, Thrall? 2006?

*asking as one who wasn't around here then*

[lily27]

thrall, you are trying to turn this into something personal, when it isn't. I have never said anything about anyone specific, never implied anything, and wasn't even THINKING it. I have never said (or implied, or thought) that quality and quantity are mutually exclusive concepts. I don't have anything against anyone in the hall of fame or who have received any kind of awards (heck, I am ON the list myself, if you noticed).

I don't know how I can possibly rephrase what I have been trying to say one more time, so I will just quote myself.

I remember the days before the hall of fame, and I have to say that there seemed to be a pretty drastic and immediate fall off of long and insightful posting in favour of quick one word replies in the fun and games forum. It seemed like very few people could be bothered to spend 20 minutes writing out a reply when they could instead increase their post count by 50 during that time. It has gotten better as of late, but I actually wandered off for several months at one point just because there was very little activity relating to BDSM anymore.

Before the Hall of Fame people would strive for their first 150 posts in order to get into the Cellar. But then the "bar" was raised to 1000 and the quantity vs. quality balance seriously shifted. People would come into the chat room desperately looking for someone to go play F&G with them so they could win their awards. I am personally aware of members who stayed up all night for the SOLE REASON of winning their award.

I am all for anything that increases BDSM knowledge and experience based discussion. It is not about decreasing non-BDSM topics.

I don't know how to make it any more simple than the last line I put in bold. I am sharing my own personal experiences and observations. I am done trying to make the same point six different ways from Sunday, so I am done here unless I have something new to add to the conversation.

[thrall]

So, this weekend, someone said to me in chat: "How can you be the chat admin if you only have like 2000 posts in the forums?" And then the "Oh no, my post counter stopped working!" thread was posted... And it got me thinking... how do we define contribution on this site, and how SHOULD we define contribution?

There are those people on the forums who come here and spend most of their time in the Politics/Religion/etc. and F&G threads. There isn't anything wrong with this, but on the other hand, does running up posts in F&G, where you get a post for uttering 1 word, mean you are a bigger contributor then say, someone who has far less posts, but contributes lengthier posts into the BDSM-related threads (BDSM Gen Talk, My BDSM Life, D/Sw/s area, etc)?

Don't get me wrong--there is a little something for everyone on this site--writers, newbies, o/l, r/l, non-BDSM, and whatever makes your boat rock, you should do it. But when did the post count start being something we should reward? Like "oh hey Bob, great job there on spending 10 hr in F&G posting back and forth one word answers. You posted so much these past few weeks we're going to give you a reward for how much you posted." Versus, say "oh hey Sally, your posts recently in My BDSM Life have been very insightful & helpful as resources for newbies, but because they are quality and not quantity, you don't get rewarded with a Hall of Fame badge." Anyone else see anything wrong with this? We're a BDSM site. Why do we reward F&G posts? Let people go crazy in F&G, have a lollapalooza--but WHY do we reward that more then we award substantive, BDSM posts?? Anyone else here see the irony?

I am not angry or bitter, or whatever other feelings people want to attach to it... I just think that it's something to think about with respect to what we "reward" in our little society here. Do I suggest more awards? God no, we already have a ridiculous amount of them as is, and to be honest, I can't stand the thought of more little icons in sig blocks (sorry, that's my personal opinion there). But people, when did satisfaction for helping someone out, for lending a newbie a hand, for posting resourceful lifestyle information, for having thoughful discussions, get trumped by this ridiculousness of running up post counts?

For those who have 5000-10000-15000-20000-30000+ posts and want to jump down my throat by saying "hey I contribute a lot here, damn it, you are trying to say I don't"--that isn't what I mean AT ALL. I am talking about the vast group of folks who NEVER post in F&G, don't have enormous post counts, but get overlooked because we reward strictly on points. Again, if you want to post like a mad, crazy person in F&G, go for it! Nothing stopping you, and if that's how you get your kicks, GREAT!!! I have noooo problem with that!!! But shouldn't we also be rewarding substance & quality over quantity?

Just something for people to chew on & think a little about...



Respectfully as always,

delia

Nope, sorry,... Im not taking this personally at all Lili...not at all...just trying to bring it back to topic.....



I also said..........lower the bar to recognize everyone for posting.....



*wink*....and yes i know you are on the list lily......as i said....not a bad showing of members....


Just something for people to chew on & think a little about...

[annie]

In response to the posting of the entire hall of fame list here I could (notice COULD but didn't) post the entire 5 pages of new posts that appeared when I clicked the "New Post" link earlier and how it took until the bottom of page 4 to have something other then a fun & game or Intro post show up. But, I don't see how that would "contribute" to the overall value of this thread even though I was "participating." (Which btw, the two words are synonyms for each anyhow according to my Thesaurus.)

Bottomline, delia asked a question on opinion and nothing more. What I value isn't what the next person will value. Period.

[thrall]

....and is that when the HOF awards started, Thrall? 2006?

*asking as one who wasn't around here then*

2006..2007..to current day

[gagged_Louise]

Actually (shocking truth!) I don't think anyone here is past 10.000 posts if we exclude the Games board. Not me*, not the current top poster, nor anyone else. But many of us still have thousands of posts all over the place, outside F&G, and the level of commitment this speaks of is much more important than any sheer number. One thing that's quite clear here: you can't build any high post count at the Games board if you don't actually make people post with you - because posting replies directly to your own stuff is just not tolerated. So one actually has to join the dance a bit.

Well, lily is quite right that we should be able to discuss what to do if we want this to develop to a more bdsm-y style - without being "only strong hardcore bdsm" because that's not what many of us want, I think - I hope the pervy poulation here can get to talk about that without people feeling stung in their egos or whatever.

*I have verified this for myself by some simple thread stats, but it's no big deal: there are thousands of posts outside of that board from me anyway - and nobody should deny that there's lots of creativity on the Games board too.

[Widget]

This thread needs to cool off a lot. The original question was not about who was better because of a post count or getting rid of fun and games. There is no reason for anyone to feel upset about where they choose to post or how high a post count they have or don't have. If it makes someone feel good to have a award for posts what harm does it do. If part of the discussion is how to get more BDSM topics posted and actively read or content that contributes to the theme of this site we can debate and suggest ideas here without it becoming personal. Please all take a breather if you are not able to step away and post objectively to this thread.

[Radiance]

I dont care how many people gets awards here either, I come for a little chat and a smile,as for as the comments etc go, I feel the ones with 5.000 .10,000 plus have more times on there hands then i do ,Radi