There are laws that prohibit anal sex in some states, just there are are laws that prohibit fellatio - within marriage. Some laws are so outdated that they have never been updated.

We can get all academic here and argue until the cows come home about the concept of 'what is a child' when the reality is 'common sense usually prevails', people that have 'confusion' of the 'child' definition are either 'playing dumb' or are really 'confused', or just like to be 'agent provocateurs' just for the sake of it etc.
Yes there are physically more mature pre teens there, there are girls that menstruate at age 8, this 'technically' means that they can reproduce but it doesn't mean that they are intellectually,emotionally or sometimes physically able to handle 'rough sex' a lot of the time, or any 'sex' for that matter.

What is a child? Well I have a child, and I know what a child is, but I also observe children playing and it ought to be simple as to what a 'child' is. Just like other people have children, whether in 'here' or out there.

There's been mention in here for example that 'fantasy' is only fantasy, well today after I finished work I was on a bus in the city and because it's holiday period, there are a lot of minors out there. So I asked myself whether or not I could actually sit there and 'fantasise' about a boy say 12, 13, or 14, as in sexually fantasise about me and them, involved in an act. Or let's make it the same age as my son, let's say 9, because an earlier 'quote' just really had me perplexed, but I'll say it, I'm not going to 'stress' about offending anyone or 'upsetting' or 'creating controversy' because your all adults and this is a forum is it not?:

I dont care if they are 13 or 3
The reason is simple, its fantasy

So there I am sitting there looking at kids walking on the street, or playing in the park, well sorry, but either way it's looked at, any whichever way, because we live in the period we live in, because we are more informed about a wide range of issues and events, it's something that is reflective of a person's development than anything else. How did people feel reading that Pete Townsend of The Who, downloaded child porn from the internet? He apologised for it, however it's a done thing.
well I bet you he fantasised about it..
Let's take it further still.
At his age, can it be considered 'healthy'? Yes or No? Seriously.
Might it not point to 'other issues' he has, that might or might not stem from his childhood?
Going further along still, even if it wasn't Pete Townsend, it was your friend or your neighbour, whatever.. are you going to pat him on the back and say 'Well hey buddy, sweet, no problem.'
Crime is random, let's say, it results from a myriad of social problems, family upbringing etc. It differs.
Behind every visual or online, child porn site is a child staring right back at Mr Pete Townsend. Where did this child come from? How did the child end up getting there?
Just how has this 'market' been established?

now that's food for thought is it not?

Is it functional to eroticise American 'kiddie' beauty pageant contestants? Doesn't that in some way expose a young girl to elements that are more appropriate for an adult woman? What will the young girl evolve into when she reaches adolescence when she has been 'conditioned' to 'perform' from the age of 3?
This is a different type of eroticism, but it's there, and people do it to their children because 'it's there', just like various 'marriage' laws are 'there' etc. It's 'creative', it can be lucrative etc etc. Yes this example is a 'real' example, but it often is closely related to fantasy: parents wanting 'recognition' for something so they get it through the pageants for example.



Then on the opposite end of the spectrum there are children that perhaps mature faster in terms of their own upbringing, whether they have been exposed to sexual abuse or not, it's been noted that children that have been exposed to abuse often enter sexual relationships 'quickly' or at an earlier age etc, but this is all related to the fact that this is what they have 'learned', it doesn't necessarily mean they are sexually 'developed'.

Pavlovian Conditioning isn't just a concept that is isolated to training dogs to salivate, humans utilise this on other humans, and many people utilise it on themselves the most..and some don't even realise that they have conditioned themselves, for various reasons.


There may be some grey areas, as this all depends on the time and society we live in. So in relation to what laws dictate what in terms of marriage etc.
We don't by and large live in a society where the 'financial' security of a female is necessary through possible marriage, hence laws that were drafted (some of them who knows when), and I'm talking about most nations in the Western world now.
Sure it might differ in the Middle East, or in nations where there is a high incidence of poverty, or in cultural groups where arranged marriage between teens and sometimes children (Romany gypsies) is arranged, but this doesn't necessarily 'mean' that the child in question can 'handle' it, these practices are largely practices that were popular in peasant society - and I don't mean peasant in a derogatory sense here, it's a combination of low finances, low education etc. The majority of individuals in this day and age aren't peasants to marry off their daughters at a very young age, or seek a suitable 'husband' for their daughters lest their daughters 'starve' or to raise their offspring with the mentality that 'their only purpose in life is to marry, go forth and multiply, so that be it'.

If we all lived say, four hundred years ago, or even two hundred years ago, say in France, and not in Edwardian or Victorian England, the society being in a different time and place our opinions would slant toward the more 'libertine' way of thinking, however we live in the age we live in now. Things are different.