Submissive and Feminist

[gloombunny]

I suppose I made the foolish assumption that people can add 2 and 2 for themselves and didn't need it explained to them that I don't approve of just any man being a firefighter because he's a man.

I will make sure to point out the obvious more often in the future.

*facepalm*

The point is that you shouldn't disapprove of a woman being a firefighter because she's a woman, because some women can carry heavy people around. I only mentioned men to try and illustrate that point.

[frankee]

Personally, i don't think that feminism has anything to do with submission.
If you're submissive, it's part of who you are, just like having blue eyes or brown hair.

IMO, the feminist movement was about choice. A woman's choice to do what she wanted, whether it was about choices concerning her body, the right to vote or to stay home and raise her children.

If it is your choice to submit to a Master or a Mistress, then who really cares what society dictates. Submission is a very big part of me and i never struggle with it (well not anymore lol). It's my choice.

So, isn't that what feminism was about, choices...a woman's choice to choose.

Ok, i'll stop right there before i go off on my crazy greek girl rants. Don't want to get an email from slave saying "WTF?" LOL.

Great thread, my friend

[MsUther]

Personally, i don't think that feminism has anything to do with submission.
If you're submissive, it's part of who you are, just like having blue eyes or brown hair.

IMO, the feminist movement was about choice. A woman's choice to do what she wanted, whether it was about choices concerning her body, the right to vote or to stay home and raise her children.

If it is your choice to submit to a Master or a Mistress, then who really cares what society dictates. Submission is a very big part of me and i never struggle with it (well not anymore lol). It's my choice.

So, isn't that what feminism was about, choices...a woman's choice to choose.

Ok, i'll stop right there before i go off on my crazy greek girl rants. Don't want to get an email from slave saying "WTF?" LOL.

Great thread, my friend

Thank you for posting these words, I was going to say about the exact same thing myself, and seing that I`m short of time I`ll just say:

I`ll second your words, frankee.

I have come across people bashing me for being a submissive And a feminist... I dont really have any comment. Its my choice.

I apologise to all of you posting in this thread. I should read all the posts here, cause the topic is important. But a lot has been said, and I couldnt manage all.

I want to say that feminism still is needed and important.
Discrimenating in any form is wrong. Wether its against women, men, gay`s or christians.

Thanks for this thread and all its posters. Be polite and respect eachothers opinions, and all is good. We cant and shouldnt agree on all and everything.

[eve3]

Feminisim to me is about equality, choice, and recognition. It would take pages to elaborate further, and I leave that to others.

Submission isn't taken it is given, it is a choice you make, a gift you choose to give. You have as many rights (and in some ways more as you are able to set your own limits) in the relationship as does the dominant partner.

Why do we insist on a label. Men don't say they are masculinists. I personally just like to use the labels to get a rise out of people, push thier buttons, stir the pot so to speak. I was called a Fema-Nazi once (ok more than once...in fact still get called that quite a bit) and rather liked it. There is still much to be done in the name of the "feminist movement" but bringing feminisim into the bedroom, playroom, dungeon or wherever you play is not where it is needed.

[Hime]

Those were not radical feminists, the radical feminists are the ones who push the cause into extreme, and there is nothing extreme about wanting equality, there is an extreme in wanting superiority. Like Comparing Martin Luther King to the Black Panthers here, one espouses equality through compassion, and the other is preaching superiority through hate.

The term "radical feminist" does not refer to a women who thinks women are superior to men. That would be a Female Supremacist.

A radical feminist is someone who believes that changes on a legal level are not enough to achieve true gender equality, and that in order for people to live without the oppressive nature of a gender heirarchy, we must undertake a mission of cultural change as well.

I am a radical feminist and a submissive woman. When my fiance and I decided to explore this side of our relationship, we agreed on certain boundaries: our BDSM play will never interfere with my family life (I am close with my parents and brother), my education or my career. He has been good about holding to this agreement -- for instance, he may punish me by making me wear certain clothes, but I never have to wear them to school or work-related events, or around my family. I am a professional stage performer, so we can't do anything that's going to leave marks on parts of my body that will be exposed, etc.

To be honest, for all of my sexually-mature life I have had fantasies about situations that would not be compatible with my worldview were they to happen in real life. But for me, it's quite enough to maintain the life I have with my husband, engage in role-playing with him in private, and enjoy some "alone time" with my more extreme fantasies.

It is a little disappointing to me that so few fellow posters seem to share my social views. But then, sharing a lifestyle choice doesn't mean that we have to agree on everything. My dom has a Masters' (appropriately enough ) in English and is well-versed in gender theory and feminist criticism, and considers himself a feminist. If he weren't, well, things would be very different.

[fantassy]

It is a little disappointing to me that so few fellow posters seem to share my social views.

Maybe we should start a club - SDF Subs and Doms for Feminism

fantassy

[Ozme52]

Too many clubs here as it is... regardless of ones social views.

[frankee]

Too many clubs here as it is... regardless of ones social views.

LOl!

[nowgirl]

All that being said, I am a strong woman, well educated, and have a good, professional job. I am also a sub. The crazier my day at work, the more I need to submit when I get home. It is my release, my centre, and my driving force.

After reading this thread, I go back to the original question & I agree with what lily said. Frankee stated this very well, too. Submission is part of who I am and keeps me grounded.

People who know me wouldn't say, "there's a feminist" just as much as they don't know me as a submissive... instead, they see me (I hope) as a strong, independent, smart woman who is also open, tolerant, well-balanced (most of the time!!) and nurturing.

This has been an interesting thread to read & I'm glad to be a part of a community that embraces all points of view.