Beastiality - The beast in all of us - The survey

[Pandora's Box]

I've been thinking about your initial post since I first read it. I had never before thought about the animal's perspective. If I personally weren't so grossed out by the idea (just my personal preference folks) I may have stopped and thought about it. However, the more it sits with me, the more I have to agree with you.

Safe, sane and consensual is an automatic given for people, but what of the animal? You are correct than an animal cannot give real consent. Granted in a sense, it's cooperation could be taken for consent. But in that scenario, realistically I can only see the animal doing that if it is trained to do so. Yes we train dogs to fetch papers, horses to pull carts, animals to do circus acts. But honestly, those aren't really comparable acts to sex.

But I can't really think that teaching an animal to take sex from (or give sex to) people is something they can really understand to give their consent to. Nor can we really measure their level of comprehension of the event.

As to whether bestiality is part of bdsm or a fetish? I am going to have to put it in the fetish pile. As with any fetish it can be pulled into a bdsm scene, but I don't think it is part of the core of bdsm in itself.

[Barton]

I wo'nt get into the animal ethics debate, but I would agree that bestiality is a fetish apart from BDSM.

Barton

[ValKyrie]

I wo'nt get into the animal ethics debate, but I would agree that bestiality is a fetish apart from BDSM.

Barton

Awww phooey!

*pouts*

And I posted what I did to encourage some friendly debate.

[redEva]

While I will not disagree with anyone here, and the main point is that until one of us manages to pull Doolitle – it will be real hard to figure out whether the animals feel abused, downgraded or taken advantage off, one thing is certain; when we are talking bestiality – and dogs in particular, it is much more natural for them to have sex with the other members of a “pack” (because that is what their adoptive family is to them) than to fetch newspapers or catch frisbee.

The reason why they do not do that more often is because we shoo them away if they show any interest, do not allow them to sniff our crotches when that is the most natural thing for them to do, and castrate them so to avoid any excess of hormonal charges that would result in any kind of sexual interest.

As for the subject of “forcing animal to do something that frightens or potentially harms them” I have to say that I have never seen dog being restrained or anything forced on it, be it male or female animal. Have any of you seen bestiality movie where dog is wearing even a muzzle? The only partner I ever seen hurt was a human one, on the receiving side of the interaction.

As far as other animals are concerned there is another set of issues. Horses are big and on a scary side when you close enough to them – never mind getting stallion aroused. In most cases I would imagine that if anything it would be bit frustrating for a horse (they are kept restrained). Mares, well they usually don’t really care (c’mon I honestly do not want to go into the size discussion here again, but mares are constructed to accommodate something bit bigger than average Joe), and if they do not agree – I feel sorry for a dude – he would be standing right behind her (annoyed horse and it’s hooves – anyone?)

As for the BDSM/fetish – it is definitely fetish that can be incorporated into BDSM play very nicely (just like lots of other fetishes) but it is far from being exclusively BDSM related. In fact lots of ‘zoos’ have no BDSM tendencies, and have tender, loving relationship with their animal partners.

*steps off the soapbox and cleans it for the next speaker in line*

[redEva]

Three Labrador retrievers - one brown, one yellow and one black were sitting in a vet's surgery waiting room when they struck up a conversation.

The black lab turned to the brown and said, "So why are you here?"

The brown lab replied "I'm a pisser, I piss on everything - the sofa, the curtains, the cat, the kids. But the final straw was last night when I pissed in the middle of my owner's bed."

The black lab said "So what is the vet going to do?"

"Gonna cut my cojones off", came the reply from the brown lab. "They reckon it'll calm me down"

The black lab then turned to the yellow lab and asked, "Why are you here?"

The yellow lab said, "I'm a digger. I dig under fences, dig up flowers and trees, I dig just for the hell of it. When I'm inside, I dig up the carpets. But I went over the line last night when I dug a great big hole in my owner's couch."

"So what are they going to do to you?" the black lab enquired.

"Looks like I'm losing my*cojones too." the dejected yellow lab said.

The yellow lab then turned to the black lab and asked. "Why are you here?"

"I'm a humper" the black lab said. "I'll hump anything. I'll hump the cat, a pillow, the table, mailboxes, whatever. I want to hump everything I see. Yesterday, my owner got out of the shower and was bending down to dry her toes, and I just couldn't help myself. I hopped on her back and started humping away."

The yellow and brown labs exchange a sad glance and say, "So, you're
saying adios to your cojones too huh?"

The black lab said, "God no, I'm here to get my nails clipped!"

[jaeangel]

There's my laugh for the day!

[Kelli]

Hehehe that is a good one.

[Barton]

Very good one redEva.

[Dslave]

Okay, here goes the debate...

First, as far as it being "consentual" for the animal. I personally believe that if a dog is trying to hump you to begin with that is pretty much telling me that he wants something. And that he needs something. And it isn't a doggy bisquit. The question, if you are going to go about this, that you should be asking yourself (if you have any doubts about "consent") is basicly... is the animal attempting to retreat or is he (sorry, can only speak for males because that is all I have experience with) going for it? Common sense will tell you if an animal (or a person) is enjoying something or not. You don't need words to know if a human is enjoying something... why would you need them for an animal? Seriously, I am not saying everyone needs to grab their dog and "do it" but to say that it is animal abuse or to say that there is no way to tell whether the animal truly wants it or if it is consentual or not is a little ridiculous to me. I can't even count the times I have seen an animal try to force themselves on a person humping their leg and other displays of affection. But, then, maybe that's just me.