While I will not disagree with anyone here, and the main point is that until one of us manages to pull Doolitle – it will be real hard to figure out whether the animals feel abused, downgraded or taken advantage off, one thing is certain; when we are talking bestiality – and dogs in particular, it is much more natural for them to have sex with the other members of a “pack” (because that is what their adoptive family is to them) than to fetch newspapers or catch frisbee.

The reason why they do not do that more often is because we shoo them away if they show any interest, do not allow them to sniff our crotches when that is the most natural thing for them to do, and castrate them so to avoid any excess of hormonal charges that would result in any kind of sexual interest.

As for the subject of “forcing animal to do something that frightens or potentially harms them” I have to say that I have never seen dog being restrained or anything forced on it, be it male or female animal. Have any of you seen bestiality movie where dog is wearing even a muzzle? The only partner I ever seen hurt was a human one, on the receiving side of the interaction.

As far as other animals are concerned there is another set of issues. Horses are big and on a scary side when you close enough to them – never mind getting stallion aroused. In most cases I would imagine that if anything it would be bit frustrating for a horse (they are kept restrained). Mares, well they usually don’t really care (c’mon I honestly do not want to go into the size discussion here again, but mares are constructed to accommodate something bit bigger than average Joe), and if they do not agree – I feel sorry for a dude – he would be standing right behind her (annoyed horse and it’s hooves – anyone?)

As for the BDSM/fetish – it is definitely fetish that can be incorporated into BDSM play very nicely (just like lots of other fetishes) but it is far from being exclusively BDSM related. In fact lots of ‘zoos’ have no BDSM tendencies, and have tender, loving relationship with their animal partners.

*steps off the soapbox and cleans it for the next speaker in line*