Aphrodisiac?

[Dslave]

There's a HUGE difference between a "fiesty" "submissive" and a strong submissive.

I agree. Being fiesty doesn't mean you are strong, they are two different things, and I was reffering to two different things in my post. Though, both can be combined.

[Barton]

Yes, a sub can be both strong and feisty at the same time. However the distinction between a strong(feisty) sub and a manipulator is a fine one. A sub who tries to control or direct things is a manipulator and not worth much time or effort.

Barton

[Dslave]

A sub who tries to control or direct things is a manipulator and not worth much time or effort.

I tend to think that if you are manipulating you are not much of a submissive at all because that really ISN'T submitting by any sense of the word. "Submissives" like that give real/true submissives a bad name, IMO. Again, just my opinion.