Quote Originally Posted by loonytunes
Actually you have made a good point already, in that there was not a lot going on in a pleasurable way last couple of times, so perhaps the addition of a vibe at the same time may have helped.............Hmmmmmm
Even Doms have to learn sometime
Doms have to learn huh? That must be the best kept secret in the BDSM world... *giggles*

Just be clear tho (although i reckon you caught what i meant already), i didn't mean that you should essentially have to pleasure your submissive in order for her to take pain, i meant that through suffering pain (to whatever extent) whilst experiencing pleasure, one can start to like pain more, even if it's only to the extent of not hating it. FF is right, you cannot force anyone to be a pain slut and in that sense, if someone hates it SO much, they will be fairly unlikely to be able to cum during it anyway...but if someone is capable of experiencing pleasure whilst in pain, if forced (mmmm ), then there is, IMHO, potential there in the sense of mental association.

HTH

sl