Quote Originally Posted by slavelucy
...i didn't mean that you should essentially have to pleasure your submissive in order for her to take pain, i meant that through suffering pain (to whatever extent) whilst experiencing pleasure, one can start to like pain more, even if it's only to the extent of not hating it. FF is right, you cannot force anyone to be a pain slut and in that sense, if someone hates it SO much, they will be fairly unlikely to be able to cum during it anyway...but if someone is capable of experiencing pleasure whilst in pain, if forced (mmmm ), then there is, IMHO, potential there in the sense of mental association.
Right on, slavelucy! I can attest to the power of mental association, even though in my case, the reverse happened.

Pain and pleasure are opposite (and I believe complementary) emotions/sensations. As a lifetime painslut who had, at the time I discovered bdsm, a very low self esteem, I had to learn to enjoy pleasure at the hands of my lover. He made it happen in my head before he laid a hand on me. Talking to me about it, reading me stories, making me write about it and skillfully mixing a bit of one with a bit of the other during play, soon in my mind, and later in my body, pain and pleasure were truly inseparable.

loonytunes, just be patient about it. It will not happen overnight, but I firmly believe in mind over matter:

"If you do not mind screaming in pain while you are fucked to orgasm, then it does not matter how you are fucked"