Is It A Conscious Decision?

[pancakepopple]

Well, personally, I haven't ever failed at a task before. Warbaby1943, I think you're right. Any sub that fails a task knowingly definitely deserves that punishment. Failure is just not an option. A task is set by a Dom and a perfect, well behaved, well trained sub will carry that task out no matter the issues involved. I have teased myself before for endless days and months before gaining relief. I am obedient enough not to orgasm before my most special Master allows me.

[lily27]

Well, personally, I haven't ever failed at a task before. Warbaby1943, I think you're right. Any sub that fails a task knowingly definitely deserves that punishment. Failure is just not an option. A task is set by a Dom and a perfect, well behaved, well trained sub will carry that task out no matter the issues involved. I have teased myself before for endless days and months before gaining relief. I am obedient enough not to orgasm before my most special Master allows me.

Well, pancakepopple, you are truly a better person than me. I am certainly far from perfect.

I'm sorry... but isn't one of the main things we do here bondage & discipline?? If you don't screw up, and are never punished, where is the learning? Where is the training?

Generally, when you start in a relationship things are kept light and fun in order to build trust, connections, and confidence. Over time, training becomes more intense... expectations are raised... and things get harder.

When tasks are things like bedtime, don't play without permission, don't wear panties... then yes, going against this will require a conscious decision. But when it is instead behaviour modification, we are in a whole different ballgame of psychology and previous conditioning.

Say you spent your entire life eating with your elbows on the table. Today, I determine that is no longer allowed. The first time you mess up, I will gently remind you. But as you are trying to break on old habit, you soon have your elbows on the table again. This time I may give you a moment to see if you realize on your own.... and if you don't correct yourself I will slap your wrists. As things progress, the corrections will get harsher, and quicker. That is the process that will lead to a change in behavioural conditioning, over time.

At no time do you consciously think "screw this, I am putting my elbows on the table".... but you just revert back to old behaviour until it is completely trained out of you.

Warbaby, I understand your confusion. But this is a complicated topic... and any attempt at an easy answer is glossing over an infinite number of variables.