again i see that i can disagree with you whole post.

And i say that religion or better choise of phrase to be religious is for an individual so it is his spirituality.
Which means to me that organized religious forms are nothing but a fourth layer of government.

And i also say that God does exist in the metaphysical . The Divine energy is Metaphysical. It's why scientist have to say they have no proof for or against.

For example holistic health is based on a lot of metaphysical "theories and ideas". does that mean they don't work cause a scientist can't prove or disprove. no. it's a western concept that has a hard time with it.

for me .. you're not going to get any advancement in your discussion of your view of things.
so i bow out of it before someone reads and decides they don't like the thread.