Nine Levels of Submission

[Rhabbi]

Thank you louise.

I do not think anyone would view this as a heirachy. No one would progress through these from 1 to 9. Some of them do not even belong to D/s. Those who are in level ! would proably never get past it, because waht turns them on is the kink, not the more important aspects of D/s.

[gloombunny]

I think to even talk about whether or not people progress from one level to the next is missing the point about why this concept sucks. Any attempt to arrange every variety of D/s onto a single one-dimensional scale is fundamentally and intensely flawed. It is just far too complex a subject to be described with such a simple model.

[Rhabbi]

I think to even talk about whether or not people progress from one level to the next is missing the point about why this concept sucks. Any attempt to arrange every variety of D/s onto a single one-dimensional scale is fundamentally and intensely flawed. It is just far too complex a subject to be described with such a simple model.

I think I see your point here, and I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing. D/s is a complex subject, and anyone that says that submission is a progressive thing totally misses the point. But I d think that a simple model exists that will explain it, this just is not it, nor do I know what it is.

I know that right now you want to jump me about there being a simple model, but my experience has shown me that ultimately things are preetty simple. Even the most complex things in nature cn be expalined using simple terms, once we understand them. I refuse to believe that people are inherantly impossible to understand, so I beleive that we can expalin motivations once we stop looking at things the wrong way.

[gloombunny]

Looking back, I apologize for my tone in this thread. I was getting frustrated at the course of the conversation, but that's no excuse for being bitchy.

I think I see your point here, and I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing. D/s is a complex subject, and anyone that says that submission is a progressive thing totally misses the point. But I d think that a simple model exists that will explain it, this just is not it, nor do I know what it is.

I know that right now you want to jump me about there being a simple model, but my experience has shown me that ultimately things are preetty simple. Even the most complex things in nature cn be expalined using simple terms, once we understand them. I refuse to believe that people are inherantly impossible to understand, so I beleive that we can expalin motivations once we stop looking at things the wrong way.

Actually, I don't think it's necessarily impossible to find a simple but accurate model. What I am sure of is that no model as simple as a one-dimensional spectrum will be accurate. I think you would need at least three axes to measure submissiveness with any reliability, and likely more.