I completely agree Bobby S. WhipIt, you seem to have a rather different perspective. *shurg* So be it, as long as it's realized that "responsible" is an entirely relative term. Though I am curious as to what you would consider responsible, especially when consenting adults are involved. And please don't feed me any of that "It's degrading to women" crap. Of course it's degrading. Sometimes women, and men alike, want it to be degrading! I know that's often the case with me. What is irresponsible about sharing a desire with someone you respect, talking about it, working out the details, making allowances for safety, and then following through?