i'm not sure if or when this is something that i will try, frankly, it scares the daylights out of me. However, one thing i have learned is to keep an open mind...those things we fear may be the things that end up giving us the most pleasure. So, i'm moving forward with my quest to find out all that i can. If this is something that i end up trying in the future, i want to know all the procedures and risks involved. Donatien, that doesn't look or sound like something that i would want to try...even in my fantasies! ProjectEuropa, piercing is something else that i'll be looking into, but not right now.