Quote Originally Posted by WyldWyl View Post
Not sure why the thread has inverted like that. Very odd. But yes, NK, it was knowing something about it (and knowing that it was coming from something inside the sub that was causing them pain) that lead me to believe it was unethical. Certainly I'll be giving it deeper thought.

Oh, and Tom, I don't believe it's arrogant of me to care for the people I play with. Maybe I'm making an assumption here, but it was one (in the specific case that made me want to talk about this) that was based on solid information and understanding of how they think and feel. I do not believe that deviating from heteronormative patterns necessarily stems from anything bad. I myself am bisexual and know that there's no trauma or inbuilt problem that caused that, I'm simply seeing a link that I know to be there in a specific case. If that's arrogance, then sure, I'm arrogant.

Thanks for the replies, though, very thought provoking,
The arrogance is assuming that something is wrong just because you can't understand it. Because regarding the tiny penis guy, you have put him into a context which he may or may not agree with. If he says he enjoys it, you can't make the judgement whether or not it is damaging for him.

It sounds more like you're in the "caring Master" paradox. Where love and care as we're taught in the vanilla world doesn't include hurting someone. I'm guessing this is about you have a discrepancy between what feedback you want from your slave and what you count as healthy. We all have our limits. I'd never grind anybody down a meat grinder, no matter how much she'd beg me We should all stick to our hard limits.

But that said. I would like to add that as we all know, there are people who are total lunatics. That are so complicated that nothing on the surface makes any sense. In situations like that I just walk away before engaging in anything. But still, I don't make any deeper judgements on people like it. I just....run!!!